Unconstitutional surveilance programs?

[Something completely different]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8F99BT8QAA

What do you think of this?

Is it a breech of the constitutionaly guaranteed rights in the US?

Would that even matter?

[Savannahw]

What do you think of this?

Is it a breech of the constitutionaly guaranteed rights in the US?

Would that even matter?

Probably and the Republicans will make a fuss. However no it won't really matter. It will go on either way.

[Minimalist]

The republicunts are supporting it because it was their boy who implemented this shit after 9-11.

The constitutionality of the FISA court orders has been upheld. What was struck down was the FBI issuing National Security Letters without obtaining a court order. In both situations the rulings have been made by appellate courts. The Supreme Court has not weighed in although with the 4 fascists on board there is little doubt how they would find.

[ideologue08]

The constitutionality of the FISA court orders has been upheld.

The FISA court never rejects any request made by the administration, it's just there to say yes to everything, it's shocking how such a secretive "yes" court can even operate http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...amp-drones

[Tiberius]

I'm skeptical about some of the claims of the PRISM program, specifically that they have backdoors into the computer systems of some of the largest tech companies in the world. I may very well be wrong, and if I am, this could be a major turning point on the Internet.

[Jackalope]

I'm skeptical about some of the claims of the PRISM program, specifically that they have backdoors into the computer systems of some of the largest tech companies in the world. I may very well be wrong, and if I am, this could be a major turning point on the Internet.

I'm skeptical that they have backdoors without the consent of those companies. I'm somewhat less skeptical that they have them with consent.

Given Verizon's willingness to turn over call metadata, it would not be without precedent.

[Minimalist]

The constitutionality of the FISA court orders has been upheld.

The FISA court never rejects any request made by the administration, it's just there to say yes to everything, it's shocking how such a secretive "yes" court can even operate http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...amp-drones

Largely irrelevant, unfortunately.

[Tiberius]

Given Verizon's willingness to turn over call metadata, it would not be without precedent.

Metadata is still quite limited. That doesn't make the fact they gave it over any better, but still, it's far from what the PRISM program is claiming, which is effectively that the NSA have direct access to the infrastructure of these companies.

In fact, I'd say that the fact Verizon aren't (to our knowledge) giving over raw phone data, the PRISM program probably isn't as vast or as in depth as claimed.

[ideologue08]

Largely irrelevant, unfortunately.

With respect to its legitimacy obviously yeah, but I still find it shocking and concerning and so should Americans in my opinion.

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Given Verizon's willingness to turn over call metadata, it would not be without precedent.

Metadata is still quite limited. That doesn't make the fact they gave it over any better, but still, it's far from what the PRISM program is claiming, which is effectively that the NSA have direct access to the infrastructure of these companies.

In fact, I'd say that the fact Verizon aren't (to our knowledge) giving over raw phone data, the PRISM program probably isn't as vast or as in depth as claimed.

I wouldn't give this govt the benefit of doubt personally. I'm assuming the worst, their attacks on privacy and freedom has been extremely secretive and unhinged.

[Minimalist]

With respect to its legitimacy obviously yeah, but I still find it shocking and concerning and so should Americans in my opinion.

It isn't as if they asked, you know.