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Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
Ron, you just can't explain this shit!!




Hence, god!



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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
[Image: lol-flood.jpg]

That did make me do just that.
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"Lucky"? Nice try....

Obviously, none of you took any time whatsoever to read the article.

If you did, you would know there were 4 Jesuits that survived, and lived full, healthy lives afterwards...while no one within several miles of the blast lasted more than 15 years. Also, they were 8 blocks from ground zero. Nothing survived that close. The wood rectory building was the only wooden structure standing anywhere in the city. There were no other catholics or otherwise in or around the church at the time of the blast. Just the priests that had just finished praying!

Even in the light of your ignorance, and denial you should be wondering how something like this could happen?

But alas, proof of anything to do with religion isn't enough for people who don't want any.

Jesus gave us understanding to the purpose and ways to a full life. And all we need do is open that door. Who are we to demand proof from God? And who can think like God?

If there is an independent spiritual evolution to be acheived [in this life] to a greater purpose, this is actually a great way for God to sort us out. Because in the scheme of things, this life is an eye-blink compared to all eternity!

And what we say, and do will be accounted for. Jesus said, "I will not judge you... You will judge yourselves."

So, no matter what you "think" you believe... that statement proves that you are in some inner conflict about denying God.

No matter what man has done, created, written or said for against Him. God still hasn't had the final word....yet!
Quis ut Deus?
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: Even in the light of your ignorance, and denial you should be wondering how something like this could happen?
Yeah, I wonder, and when I'm done wondering I mark it off as either misinformation or coincidence. What God cherry picks the people he saves like this while allowing all this terrible suffering to continue all over the globe for other people who are just as good as these who were "saved"?
"Men see clearly enough the barbarity of all ages — except their own!" — Ernest Crosby.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
@pocaracas, wow are those real? My faith in atheism is now crumbling. Which god should I pick now, hmm ...

Just kidding, but that house in the pit, incredible foresight lol.
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(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: Even in the light of your ignorance, and denial you should be wondering how something like this could happen?

The only ignorance is leaping to the conclusion that god must have done it.

I know you desperately want confirmation of your beliefs, which leads you to claim a mystery as a miracle, but don't don't deride us for stooping to your level of accepting a miracle claim simply because there is no obvious explanation.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: "Lucky"? Nice try....

Obviously, none of you took any time whatsoever to read the article.

If you did, you would know there were 4 Jesuits that survived, and lived full, healthy lives afterwards...while no one within several miles of the blast lasted more than 15 years.

Utterly false. There are over 200,000 "hibakusha," surviving victims from the atomic bombings, with an average age of nearly 79.

Quote:Also, they were 8 blocks from ground zero. Nothing survived that close.

We pointed out others who were closer. Can't you read?

Quote:The wood rectory building was the only wooden structure standing anywhere in the city. There were no other catholics or otherwise in or around the church at the time of the blast. Just the priests that had just finished praying!

Even in the light of your ignorance, and denial you should be wondering how something like this could happen?

But alas, proof of anything to do with religion isn't enough for people who don't want any.

Jesus gave us understanding to the purpose and ways to a full life. And all we need do is open that door. Who are we to demand proof from God? And who can think like God?

If there is an independent spiritual evolution to be acheived [in this life] to a greater purpose, this is actually a great way for God to sort us out. Because in the scheme of things, this life is an eye-blink compared to all eternity!

And what we say, and do will be accounted for. Jesus said, "I will not judge you... You will judge yourselves."

So, no matter what you "think" you believe... that statement proves that you are in some inner conflict about denying God.

No matter what man has done, created, written or said for against Him. God still hasn't had the final word....yet!
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: "Lucky"? Nice try....

"Miracle?" Nice try...

Quote:Obviously, none of you took any time whatsoever to read the article.

And likewise, you didn't bother to read our rebuttals. However, of the group here, only one set of us bothered to actually research beyond the hokey miracle claim, and it wasn't you, Saintly.

Quote:If you did, you would know there were 4 Jesuits that survived, and lived full, healthy lives afterwards...while no one within several miles of the blast lasted more than 15 years.

So, when I posted a color picture of an elderly man who literally survived both of the blasts, and the name of another who was within the blast radius too... I guess you just missed them? Or are you just lying here? Which is it, liar or idiot?

Quote: Also, they were 8 blocks from ground zero. Nothing survived that close.

Except for Eizo Nomura. Who was in a basement right below the blast. You are lying, aren't you?

Quote:The wood rectory building was the only wooden structure standing anywhere in the city.

Except for the Shinto arch that still stands to this day. Did you get an aneurysm, having to be this intentionally dishonest/blind?

Quote: There were no other catholics or otherwise in or around the church at the time of the blast. Just the priests that had just finished praying!

So, what you're saying is that all the other catholics in the city at the time were incinerated or died slow wasting deaths of radiation poisoning, since according to you they were obviously excluded from this miracle, or I'm sure you would have mentioned them. So... it's clearly an effective god you worship, saving four people while leaving countless others to their deaths.

Yes.

Quote:Even in the light of your ignorance, and denial you should be wondering how something like this could happen?

You know, in light of everything I've said above, I'm going to allow myself a small ad hominem, like a little treat for myself.

Ronedee, you're a smug fucking idiot, ain't you?

Quote:But alas, proof of anything to do with religion isn't enough for people who don't want any.

You didn't provide any proof. You provided an argument from ignorance: "These people lived through that! I can't think of a better way, and therefore GAWD!" This is not effective argumentation, especially considering the very real problems with your story that you're just trying to ignore.

Quote:Jesus gave us understanding to the purpose and ways to a full life. And all we need do is open that door. Who are we to demand proof from God? And who can think like God?

Who are we to demand proof of god? Who else could?

You might be content with being a credulous git with a presupposition, but any of us with a shred of intellectual honesty and wit need a little more.

Quote:If there is an independent spiritual evolution to be acheived [in this life] to a greater purpose, this is actually a great way for God to sort us out. Because in the scheme of things, this life is an eye-blink compared to all eternity!

So, what you're saying is that there was absolutely no purpose behind god's preserving "miracle" that you mentioned here? Cool.

Quote:And what we say, and do will be accounted for. Jesus said, "I will not judge you... You will judge yourselves."

So, no matter what you "think" you believe... that statement proves that you are in some inner conflict about denying God.

Okay, so first of all, what in the actual fuck? What a complete non sequitur. Second, where do you get off ascribing beliefs to anyone else? From whence do you draw the sheer, overpowering nerve to do that?

If nothing else, this is the lasting testament to the weakness of your position: you can't compete in the marketplace of ideas here, can't provide a shred of real proof or evidence, and so having realized that the lies and half-truths of your miracles claims won't fly, you resort to the child's tactic: reinterpreting the motives of those opposite you so that they're just out to get you. It's not that you're wrong, those guys are just idiots. You're always right!

Now, why don't you go play for a little while, and later you shall have a cookie.

Quote:No matter what man has done, created, written or said for against Him. God still hasn't had the final word....yet!

I'm thinking his final word to you will be some kind of a curse word. My bet is on "douchebag."
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee

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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: "Lucky"? Nice try....
Yes, lucky!
The bomb dispersion is not homogeneous, hence it is possible the shock waves interfere and create a few locations where little power is applied.


(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: Obviously, none of you took any time whatsoever to read the article.

If you did, you would know there were 4 Jesuits that survived, and lived full, healthy lives afterwards...while no one within several miles of the blast lasted more than 15 years. Also, they were 8 blocks from ground zero. Nothing survived that close. The wood rectory building was the only wooden structure standing anywhere in the city. There were no other catholics or otherwise in or around the church at the time of the blast. Just the priests that had just finished praying!
Had it been a mosque that survived, would you change your religion and become a muslim?



(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: Even in the light of your ignorance, and denial you should be wondering how something like this could happen?
I gave you an adequate explanation for it in my first sentence of this post. I hope you like it.
I know I made it very short, and omitted some details, but I hope you get the main idea.

(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: But alas, proof of anything to do with religion isn't enough for people who don't want any.
Maybe it's because it's not proof of anything to do with religion...
It's just coincidence.
A god that works on coincidence is no god worthy of praise.

(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: Jesus gave us understanding to the purpose and ways to a full life. And all we need do is open that door. Who are we to demand proof from God? And who can think like God?
I care not if there is a god who doesn't want me to accept it as real.
If it does want me to accept it's existence, then it needs to work on getting the message across.
Using other people is just silly.

(August 7, 2013 at 10:37 am)ronedee Wrote: If there is an independent spiritual evolution to be acheived [in this life] to a greater purpose, this is actually a great way for God to sort us out. Because in the scheme of things, this life is an eye-blink compared to all eternity!

And what we say, and do will be accounted for. Jesus said, "I will not judge you... You will judge yourselves."

So, no matter what you "think" you believe... that statement proves that you are in some inner conflict about denying God.

No matter what man has done, created, written or said for against Him. God still hasn't had the final word....yet!
And you know all this.... how?

(August 7, 2013 at 10:43 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: @pocaracas, wow are those real? My faith in atheism is now crumbling. Which god should I pick now, hmm ...

Just kidding, but that house in the pit, incredible foresight lol.

Yes, they should be real... google image search is always trustworthy!... isn't it?

I suggest islam, suni. They got a whole mosque still standing... these catholic guys just got a rectory... pfff

About the house in the pit.... don't you think it could have been easier to... make a mound and build it on the mound? instead of digging a hole and building there...
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
(August 7, 2013 at 11:21 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(August 7, 2013 at 10:43 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: @pocaracas, wow are those real? My faith in atheism is now crumbling. Which god should I pick now, hmm ...

Just kidding, but that house in the pit, incredible foresight lol.

Yes, they should be real... google image search is always trustworthy!... isn't it?

I suggest islam, suni. They got a whole mosque still standing... these catholic guys just got a rectory... pfff

About the house in the pit.... don't you think it could have been easier to... make a mound and build it on the mound? instead of digging a hole and building there...

You're missing the point. The obvious and easy ways are not an option for prophets, they must work in mysterious ways, like living in a pit. It also demonstrates that it rained everywhere but in that pit.
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