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If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?

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If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 7, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Platitudes deserve platitudes! Smile
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 4:19 am
(July 7, 2013 at 1:41 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:
(July 7, 2013 at 1:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Why is it silly to believe that alien flump monsters are real over love being real when both fall into the same proof category of non existence?

Love is just as irrational as faith. After all, plenty of people experience a love that can never be reciprocated, and that is unhealthy.

That's just plain selfish...

Since when does love require reciprocation?
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 5:12 am
That's a point we brought up earlier. It doesn't.
Real love requires no reciprocation. Love can be measured biologically as neurological electrical and chemical processes. Love come to find out can be replicated towards something that doesn't exist.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

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Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 7:17 am
Love without reciprocation = stalking. Real love demands to be answered in kind with love.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 9:38 am
(July 8, 2013 at 7:17 am)Drich Wrote: Love without reciprocation = stalking. Real love demands to be answered in kind with love.

So, if a father and son have a falling out and the son comes to hate the father but the father still loves the son, that is stalking?
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 9:59 am
(July 8, 2013 at 7:17 am)Drich Wrote: Love without reciprocation = stalking. Real love demands to be answered in kind with love.

I stalk peanut butter cups.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 12:38 pm
(July 7, 2013 at 11:28 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I've explained that reasoning to you before Esq. I have good reason. There cannot be proof. So your question makes no sense. I'm sorry if I seem short with you. I'm sick to the back teeth of reiterating that point.

The problem, of course, is that you can't have a good reason without evidence by definition, because it means you cannot demonstrate the truth of your proposition, even to yourself. You can believe it all you want, but if you can't show it, you don't know it.

So, essentially, you're taking a claim to be true despite having no way of knowing that. Besides, why are you privileging this one claim lacking in proof over any other? Why don't you believe in all gods, since there's the same amount of evidence for all of them?
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 12:41 pm
It just occurred to me that if fr0d0's god is real, and Drich's definition holds true, god is stalking me.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 12:44 pm
(July 8, 2013 at 12:41 pm)Faith No More Wrote: It just occurred to me that if fr0d0's god is real, and Drich's definition holds true, god is stalking me.

If he was real, you could get a restraining order against him.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 1:18 pm
(July 8, 2013 at 7:17 am)Drich Wrote: Love without reciprocation = stalking. Real love demands to be answered in kind with love.

Only true for romantic and (possibly) platonic love.

Loving a family member who doesn't return it isn't stalking. And, isn't that the closest parallel we have to the supposed love for and from God?

Since I tried to love God and got the cold shoulder, did that make me the stalker?
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