If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
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If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Of course I can Esq. Non empirical evidence fulfills your criteria. I rationalise it to be true, and I and my fellow Christians defend that successfully every day here on AF. So we have evidence and we are showing it.
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July 8, 2013 at 2:05 pm
(July 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Of course I can Esq. Non empirical evidence fulfills your criteria. I rationalise it to be true, and I and my fellow Christians defend that successfully every day here on AF. So we have evidence and we are showing it. How do you show evidence which exists only subjectively?  RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 2:06 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2013 at 2:06 pm by Faith No More.)
This is for you, fr0d0...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/successfully?s=t Quote:suc·cess·ful You seem to have needed a refresher.
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Since we have no success on either side, neither has there been historically, we define success by our own sides correct presentation of the facts as we see them.
So I hope you listened to your own advice there faith.  RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 8, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Heya Drich. Havent seen you around in awhile, been busy in other threads? I'm curious as to if you've read my and fr0d0's recent conversation in this thread? Any thoughts?
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July 9, 2013 at 2:11 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2013 at 2:14 am by evenheathen.)
(July 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: facts as we see them. This is a non sequitur. A fact is a truth. It has nothing to do with how you see it. It either is, or isn't. Anything open to argument has not been presented as a fact.
But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret is as though it had an underlying truth.
Umberto Eco
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 9, 2013 at 7:50 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2013 at 7:50 am by fr0d0.)
Likewise with your 'facts' even.
To us 'it is'. We concur on that. Likewise you concur on your sumations. Within our groups these facts are not argued over, as we can all agree upon them.  RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 9, 2013 at 12:34 pm
(July 9, 2013 at 7:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Within our groups these facts are not argued over, as we can all agree upon them. If that was true, there would not be different denominations of the same faith that believes in the same god, but obviously disagrees on interpretation of scripture.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 9, 2013 at 12:49 pm
We all agree on the important stuff, which is the subject here. Interpretation of that isn't disputed.
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July 9, 2013 at 3:17 pm
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2013 at 3:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No you don't. That's the reason for all the schisms. Sure, you may feel that you are at a point where you can gloss all of this over, but it's still there. There's no sense in repeating such an easily dismantled claim (and you've been doing it awhile....). Wouldn't it be much more useful to put something entirely more honest out there as a defense of an honest faith? My two cents anyway.
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