Gimmah the evidence

[Ryantology]

I wish you have an idea about what constitutes science.
Science is the study and the search of something.
The search to reveal the hidden treasure that lie within like the part of the iceberg that is below the water is called INTUITIONAL SCIENCE.
As i already said in previous post not only is a science but is the older science ever as it was taught 7000 years ago by Shiva.
Physical science came ages later.
By developing this science one is able to perceive the knowledge that lie within in the consciousness. Perception or intuit does not make any difference.

Intuition is among the least trustworthy approaches to understanding, because when you're right, it is only by accident. You might as well call it "blind guessing science", because that's all it really is.

Before you worry about the brain functions you should try to understand the difference between the brain and the consciousness (the real I).
That is where the INTUITIONAL SCIENCE can help to understand this point.
Hopefully one day you will realize that the brain is just like the hard drive of a computer or a storage of information and the consciousness is the I, I decide to think or do something.

Computers don't rely on magic and spirits to function. They rely on electrical impulses. Just like our brains. Software is stored physically and processed physically. Our consciousness needs to be nothing more than advanced software running on biological computing substrate.

"You" are nothing more than the dynamic pattern generated by all those impulses, accessing memories and subroutines. No mysticism necessary.

You mean like saying that God does not exist?

Just like that, which is why you don't run into a lot of atheists who commit to a complete, philosophically positive claim on that score (if only to prevent this dead horse from being beaten anew).

[Tonus]

I do not dispute that you can or can not comprehend what i say.
That is not the problem.
The problem is to feel and experience.

So until I experience insanity firsthand, I won't comprehend you?

[Cyberman]

That's a little unfair, Tonus. Perceptive and accurate, maybe, but unfair.

[Little Rik]

Intuition is among the least trustworthy approaches to understanding, because when you're right, it is only by accident. You might as well call it "blind guessing science", because that's all it really is.

Intuition is not always a clear indicator that that particular thing is correct.
It really depend especially if that particular correctness evaporated and vanish after a short time leaving nothing real.
If this failure would apply to yoga then all the people who practice intuitional science since 7000 years ago then it would mean that they all did so much hard work for nothing.
Unfortunately you forgot something and that is the fact that together with intuition come the pleasure that one feel when the chains (karma or reactions) that encase you in this body are less and less heavy.

Computers don't rely on magic and spirits to function. They rely on electrical impulses. Just like our brains. Software is stored physically and processed physically. Our consciousness needs to be nothing more than advanced software running on biological computing substrate.
"You" are nothing more than the dynamic pattern generated by all those impulses, accessing memories and subroutines. No mysticism necessary.

Your deep intellectuality does not explain where the free will is gone if as you say our consciousness is driven by something else.

You mean like saying that God does not exist?

Just like that, which is why you don't run into a lot of atheists who commit to a complete, philosophically positive claim on that score (if only to prevent this dead horse from being beaten anew).

You must be in possess of reliable statistics that confirm your theory.
GIMMAH the evidence please.


Oh by the way, what happen to you?
Is not that Childsgod convert you?
I did not read any of your usual swearing for a few days!!!

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I do not dispute that you can or can not comprehend what i say.
That is not the problem.
The problem is to feel and experience.

So until I experience insanity firsthand, I won't comprehend you?

Insanity is also to postpone the day in which one decide to stop to be encased in a physical body and be free.
But of course you can't argue with INSANITY.

[CleanShavenJesus]

This come from someone who said that she practice yoga for 30 years to then show that she did not know the meaning of yoga.

How I feel about yoga: (skip to 0:19)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86mg3HHz0JY

[downbeatplumb]

.......Intuition is NOT science. Mistake 1.

I wish you have an idea about what constitutes science.
Science is the study and the search of something.
The search to reveal the hidden treasure that lie within like the part of the iceberg that is below the water is called INTUITIONAL SCIENCE.

Science to a large part is the opposite of intuition.

Things that you may intuitively think are right are tested by science and are most often proved wrong.

As i already said in previous post not only is a science but is the older science ever as it was taught 7000 years ago by Shiva.
Physical science came ages later.

Its not a science.

By developing this science one is able to perceive the knowledge that lie within in the consciousness. Perception or intuit does not make any difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6tMKdpmijQ

Before you worry about the brain functions you should try to understand the difference between the brain and the consciousness (the real I).
That is where the INTUITIONAL SCIENCE can help to understand this point.
Hopefully one day you will realize that the brain is just like the hard drive of a computer or a storage of information and the consciousness is the I, I decide to think or do something.

You are asserting rather a lot of rubbish here which you have zero evidence to support.

I can support my position with evidence can you?

Materialism communism and capitalism are at the end of their run eh. You may be able to rustle an argument for the end of communism but the rest is just assertion based on what you want to happen.

Exploitation, speculation, price fixing, monopolies are cancer that have become terminal as we can see around the world where even the ex silent majority is now fed up.

So this means the end of materialism and capitalism how?

That is why I disagreed with all of it, because it was devoid of a real point.

The real point that i try to talk about was all about the fact that in order to get the evidence about the consciousness one has got to develop that science that lead to the knowledge in that arena. Without it there is no way someone can understand anything about it.

Yes and we have the technology and can see the brain function and alter how people react pharmacologically.

Unfortunately people keep on thinking that the mind is the real I so the time in which they will wake up and grow up is postpone in the future maybe in the next life or the one after.

Hippy dippy crap spouting time I see.

I don't even know what world you think you are living in!

I practice INTUITIONAL SCIENCE or tantric meditation but i live in a city not in a monastery or in a cave in the Himalayas.

Whatever you practice involves lots of herbs and mushrooms I would guess, but I know it is NOT SCIENCE.

[Rahul]

C'mon guys. Isn't anyone going to point out to this enrico guy that Galileo had nothing to do with trying to tell people the Earth was round?

Few hundreds years ago when Galileo and other scientists were saying that the planet earth was not flat and was not the center of the universe the ignorant masses were saying.........GIMMAH THE EVIDENCE.
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Galileo did not have a spaceship to take the masses up in the space so they could see the planet earth round like a ball and also they could see their planet as a small piece of dust compared to the vast universe.

Ancient Greek philosophers posited that the Earth was round as early as 6th Century B.C.

It is not definitively known which scientist first proved that the Earth is spherical. The discovery is variably attributed to Pythagoras, Zeno, or Hesiod.

http://answers.ask.com/society/history/w...h_is_round

Pythagoras 570 BC - 495 BC
Zeno 490 BC – 430 BC
Hesiod 750 BC - 650 BC

Galileo 15 February 1564 – 8 January 1642

Galileo championed the idea of heliocentrism. That the Earth and other planets revolve around the sun.

I know these theists are annoying but we can't just stand by while they spout retarded shit about EVERYTHING.

[Little Rik]

C'mon guys. Isn't anyone going to point out to this enrico guy that Galileo had nothing to do with trying to tell people the Earth was round?

Few hundreds years ago when Galileo and other scientists were saying that the planet earth was not flat and was not the center of the universe the ignorant masses were saying.........GIMMAH THE EVIDENCE.
...

Galileo did not have a spaceship to take the masses up in the space so they could see the planet earth round like a ball and also they could see their planet as a small piece of dust compared to the vast universe.

Ancient Greek philosophers posited that the Earth was round as early as 6th Century B.C.

It is not definitively known which scientist first proved that the Earth is spherical. The discovery is variably attributed to Pythagoras, Zeno, or Hesiod.

http://answers.ask.com/society/history/w...h_is_round

Pythagoras 570 BC - 495 BC
Zeno 490 BC – 430 BC
Hesiod 750 BC - 650 BC

Galileo 15 February 1564 – 8 January 1642

Galileo championed the idea of heliocentrism. That the Earth and other planets revolve around the sun.

I know these theists are annoying but we can't just stand by while they spout retarded shit about EVERYTHING.

How fussy and boring a person can be!!!
When i mention Galileo i also said............As Galileo and other scientists found difficult to give evidence..............i meant all the wave of scientists that came up with a different point of view from the conventional point of view got into ridicule.
If you really want to be fussy and claim that this or that was discovered by such and such person you got to be really careful.
Officially is also said that America was discovered by Mr Columbus but more evidence found that the Vikings went there first.
Some time ago when i was watching a documentary i heard that an Indian astronomer discover all those things about our planet long before the Greeks and the europeans and therefore in schools are teaching the wrong thing about these discoveries.
Now this may or may not be truth in any case if we want to have the last word about the issue we should make sure 100% or in case we can't we should keep our mouth well shut.
In other words it is always important to be careful in choosing the official version without first analyze the UNofficial version.

[Rahul]

How fussy and boring a person can be!!!

I know, right? I'm all serious sometimes about silly things like facts and shit.

If you really want to be fussy and claim that this or that was discovered by such and such person you got to be really careful.
Officially is also said that America was discovered by Mr Columbus but more evidence found that the Vikings went there first.

I think the Eastern Asians that crossed the Bering Strait might contest that claim. But that's just me being fussy and boring again.

[Little Rik]

Science to a large part is the opposite of intuition. Things that you may intuitively think are right are tested by science and are most often proved wrong.

Oh, i did not know that PHYSICAL science can test INTUITIONAL science.
I mean how can something material can test something that is not material?
Whhhhhhhhaaaahh, i propose you for a nobel prize.

As i already said in previous post not only is a science but is the older science ever as it was taught 7000 years ago by Shiva.
Physical science came ages later.

Its not a science.

Sorry to disappoint you but the word science come from the latin and it means KNOWLEDGE, just about any knowledge and therefore is not confined to universal knowledge or the knowledge of your choosing.

You are asserting rather a lot of rubbish here which you have zero evidence to support.
I can support my position with evidence can you?

What can you support in a panorama which is always moving and changing like within this universe?
What was true yesterday today is no longer valid and what is valid today tomorrow will end up in the rubbish bin of history because new evidence come up that disproves the old theory.
On the other hand the entity behind the time and space never change that is why i really prefer the latter.

So this means the end of materialism and capitalism how?

Open the tv and see what happen in Turkey and Brazil at the moment.
The cancer is now terminal because the greed is out of control.

That is why I disagreed with all of it, because it was devoid of a real point.

Tell me, tell me what is the real point other then greed out of control?

Yes and we have the technology and can see the brain function and alter how people react pharmacologically.

You can alter the brain function but you can not alter other people consciousness.
Only the individual can alter his-her consciousness via free will.
When people ask me to give evidence about the consciousness i always say.......You with your own free will are the only one to experience this realty nobody else can.

Whatever you practice involves lots of herbs and mushrooms I would guess, but I know it is NOT SCIENCE.

The canary syndrome is very hard to give up.
The poor canary is so used to live in a cage that can not comprehend anymore how it is possible to live outside a cage.

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I think the Eastern Asians that crossed the Bering Strait might contest that claim. But that's just me being fussy and boring again.

Not at all. You are fussy and boring only when you try to be picky and when you come down with your holy truth without first try to understand other people logic in the context of the sentences.