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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 7:51 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2013 at 7:52 pm by pocaracas.)
(July 3, 2013 at 7:38 pm)Inigo Wrote: (July 3, 2013 at 7:31 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Why should I care about Mary? Leave her be.
But I'd like to turn this around...
Meet Joe, He's a standard guy, trying to make a living in a crazy world... One day, this other guy (Matt) tells him about yet another dude, let's call this dude, 'Dude'.... and Joe falls in love with Dude, because of all the wonderful things that Matt told him about Dude and he also told him that Dude loves Joe back.
At some point, other friends of Joe's tell him about Dude.... He really wants to meet Dude, but no one can get those two in touch with each other.
Now you are, dear reader, are fully aware that Dude was made up by Joe's friends, just to mess with him, or to get him to look forward to something, or whatever...
Is it ok to tell Joe that Dude doesn't exist, never has and never will?
What's your answer to the original question? First line of my post... did you even read it?
(July 3, 2013 at 7:45 pm)apophenia Wrote:
First things first.
Is she hot?
On her deathbed, apparently... a bit over-ripe, for my taste...
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 7:53 pm
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I'd tell her... but not right away. Dealing with mourners can be such a pain. 
Nah, I'd just leave her alone. Not for moral reasons, but because I really don't give a shit.
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 7:54 pm
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(July 3, 2013 at 7:51 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (July 3, 2013 at 7:38 pm)Inigo Wrote: What's your answer to the original question? First line of my post... did you even read it?
No, evidently not. So you agree that it would be wrong to tell her? You agree that if someone did tell her he/she would be doing something wrong?
(July 3, 2013 at 7:53 pm)frankiej Wrote: I'd tell her... but not right away. Dealing with mourners can be such a pain.
Nah, I'd just leave her alone. Why should I care about this Mary?
Well, I assume we should care about others - don't you get that impression? And we have two options, we can disabuse her of the idea that she had a husband at all - something that would cause her much upset - or we can just challenge her idea that her husband wouldn't want her to engage in any other relationships.
Thte latter is more prudent and more moral.
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 7:56 pm
(July 3, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Inigo Wrote: (July 3, 2013 at 7:51 pm)pocaracas Wrote: First line of my post... did you even read it?
No, evidently not. So you agree that it would be wrong to tell her? You agree that if someone did tell her he/she would be doing something wrong?
I think your original question was worded wrong, since you neglected to say that the person who has to decide to tell her or not has the power to read minds and predict the future accurately and therefore know she would be sad for the rest of her life, and also that she would be on her deathbed.
I've already said if that was the case obviously I wouldn't tell her, just let the woman die in peace.
The people who answered the question seem to be under the assumption you were asking a question directed to someone who couldn't read minds, or predict the future or was talking to a woman on her death bed.
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 7:59 pm
(July 3, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Inigo Wrote: (July 3, 2013 at 7:53 pm)frankiej Wrote: I'd tell her... but not right away. Dealing with mourners can be such a pain.
Nah, I'd just leave her alone. Why should I care about this Mary?
Well, I assume we should care about others - don't you get that impression? And we have two options, we can disabuse her of the idea that she had a husband at all - something that would cause her much upset - or we can just challenge her idea that her husband wouldn't want her to engage in any other relationships.
Thte latter is more prudent and more moral.
Yeah, I changed what I said as you were writing this. I realised what I said didn't quite reflect my opinion. It is fine now though. 
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Has anyone realized that the most immoral one is the husband who cheated on her her entire life?
In this analogy, isn't that god, who lied about existing our entire lives?
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 8:02 pm
I answered under the proper assumption. Even if she was on her deathbed, I would still tell her the truth. Some people may think that makes me a horrible person, but I could care less about their opinions.
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 8:06 pm
I'd tell her the truth because my external moral instructions tell me to.
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 8:07 pm
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(July 3, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: I answered under the proper assumption. Even if she was on her deathbed, I would still tell her the truth. Some people may think that makes me a horrible person, but I could care less about their opinions.
Of course you wouldn't care. That's the problem.
(July 3, 2013 at 8:06 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: I'd tell her the truth because my external moral instructions tell me to.
So you genuinely sense that it is right to tell her the truth? I think your moral sense is off.
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RE: Immoral atheists
July 3, 2013 at 8:09 pm
(July 3, 2013 at 8:07 pm)Inigo Wrote: So you genuinely sense that it is right to tell her the truth? I think your moral sense is off.
Who are you to question my external moral instructions?
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