Time For Whites To Wake Up

[festive1]

It's estimated that that the Ku Klux Klan has between 5,000 - 8,000 members. Should we not worry about them either? Because the impression that I seem to be getting is that we don't have to worry about hate groups as long as they have low numbers. Everyone seems to be getting caught up on black vs white but let me put a little perspective on things.

New Black Panther Party: Anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-gay
Nation of Islam: Anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-gay

Ku Klux Klan: Anti-black, anti-semitic, anti-gay
Aryan Nation: Anti-black, anti-semitic, anti-gay

You know, all in all, they seem pretty similar to me.

What are any of these groups going to do? Stage a coup? No. They're simply going to make as much noise as they can. That is their Constitutionally protected right. Even the ACLU has defended the Klan's right to hold rallies. They are allowed to keep marching, holding rallies, spouting their hate (as long as it's not inciting violence) for as long as they have an audience, and even after.

Here is where the KKK and the Black Panthers differ:
Historical context.
The KKK formed during Reconstruction in response to blacks legally being considered people rather than property. As a group, they are responsible for untold deaths and acts of terror.
The Black Panthers originally formed in 1966 as a radicalized response to the Civil Rights movement. There has been violence, but nowhere near that of the KKK. There has been voter intimidation, again, nowhere near the levels of the KKK. There have been deaths, and that is wrong, those responsible should be held accountable, but there were far fewer than the number of deaths credited to the KKK. The number of murders attributed to the Black Panther Party, according to their Wiki page? About 17 (some of which were murders of Black Panther members). The Black Panthers, while not exactly palatable is decidedly more palatable (in terms of crimes committed and violence incited by each organization) than the KKK. Furthermore, we are currently on our second incarnation of the Black Panthers, which has been vocal, but far less violent than the first. The KKK's three incarnations or revivals, have all been marked by violence and death, in decreasing numbers as well, but still at a much higher rate than the Black Panthers. One cannot say both the KKK and Black Panthers are equally violent, as this is simply untrue.
Another main distinction between the Black Panthers and the KKK... reality.
The KKK speak of being oppressed, of society wanting whites to feel shame about their race, of wanting to preserve the white race and protect their Christian heritage. The Black Panther's rhetoric is, admittedly, quite similar... However, there are obvious, reality based examples for the Black Panther's claims, that don't exist for the KKK, especially in the context of the American Justice system (hello, Zimmerman trial).
Currently, the US has about 7,000,000 people in the Justice system, in jail, prison, and on probation. About 70% of people in the Justice system are black or Latino. We know that all races commit crimes at roughly the same rates. But blacks and Latinos are arrested and convicted at higher rates than their white counterparts. They are also often given longer or harsher sentences (blacks are sentenced to death at a much higher rate than whites). Currently 1 in 5 black males will be incarcerated at some point in their lives. This is an ACTUAL grievance, one that was poked with a sharp pointy stick when Zimmerman was found not-guilty.
I remember an interesting conversation I had with a friend in college. Somehow we starting talking about OJ. I said that it seemed rather obvious that he had killed his wife and her friend, but the prosecution made some key errors allowing him to get off. She (she is black) admitted he was in all likelihood guilty, but it was a day of justice for blacks because of all the innocent black people that get convicted. Balancing the scales of Justice, so to speak. I'm not endorsing this, just stating an opinion I heard.
To build on that notion, the number of people on death row for killing a black person is tiny in comparison to the number of people on death row for killing a white person. There is a disparity between the seeming value of black life vs. white life in the American Justice system. Which is what groups such as the Black Panthers rally around. The KKK want to cry about losing the majority, even though whites are traditionally privileged when you look at stats of poverty levels, housing, access to education, employment, etc.
I believe we find relatively more sympathy for the side that has actual grievances to point to. The number of blacks who have been murdered by the KKK, where the KKK, either individually or as a whole, was not held responsible is high in comparison to the opposite. Add to that cases where justice was never served... Emmett Till, Rodney King, Trayvon Martin (which legally speaking, with Stand Your Ground, Zimmerman should have been acquitted, but morally... I'm not convinced), and many, many others... It has deep roots and no end in sight. When is Justice going to be equally served? That is a key message for many groups, whose memberships far outweigh that of the Panthers and attract members from all races.
Personally, I want equality in our Justice system. Currently the system is skewed in favor whites, especially well-off whites. Stop and Frisk laws, which target 90% minorities vs. whites. Police being more likely to shoot a black suspect than a white one. There are real injustices that need to be addressed. It's not possible to ignore the racial implications of these injustices.

They actually have every once in a while. White supremacists have spoken at black supremacist meetings because they actually have similar goals. Not a lot of people realize that modern white supremacist groups are no longer about getting a mob together and lynching black people. What they preach now is segregation, which is exactly what black supremacists desire as well. The New Black Panther Party wants a nation solely made up of black people, just the same as the KKK wants a nation of purely white people.

I'd like a source for this.

[LostLocke]

This is one of the reasons why I love humanism, especially secular humanism.

While the pendulum keeps swinging back and forth from, whites are discriminating against everyone else so the others need protection to (if it even exists) the whites are now being trivialized in favor of everyone else, humanism strives to step in and say "Enough of this shit" and stop the pendulum dead center.

The goal here is to stop any single group of humans from harming another group of humans.

Ultimately, the color of your skin, the country you live in, the language you speak, your gender, your sexual orientation, your economic status, and even your religion/beliefs are of no consequence when dealing with a person on a humanistic level, unless they make it an issue.
And if someone does make any of these things an issue with you personally, then I say be the better person and just drop it and walk away.

[thesummerqueen]

^This.

I'm a humanist and an egalitarian. It doesn't stop me from seeing the disparity. It's what I'd like the planet to move towards, though, if only in part because we're all in this together.

[Bad Writer]

I felt a cold chill creep up my spine as I read the start of this thread. I don't even know where to start. I think I'll just make this short.

If the whites rally together, they'll become the oppressors instead of the oppressed (and any oppression felt on the part of the whites is simply perceived anyway). Then the other races will have to band together and rise up against the whites...again. And again. And again. And over and over in a never-ending battle of the races.

Or we can trust that all races have been given equal rights, and we should stop trying to stereotype and learn to be fair to everyone. Live by this example, people will see that it is good and desirable, and true change on a personal level will come about that way. Hatred has never changed anything excepting the types of missiles we use to blow up countries we don't like.

[Rahul]

A Theist.
Dear god. It must be so fucking hard to be a white male right now. It's so hard to be the ones who still earn the most money, who don't have to prove themselves in face-to-face interviews, who don't get judged as criminals by outward appearances in comparison.

We don't have to prove ourselves in face-to-face interviews? I've gone to a lot of interviews in my life. I've proved myself in face-to-face interviews for every job I've ever had.

Do I just email an employer, "I'm a white guy. I'm taking this job. See you on Monday."?

Uh, no. Why do you think we don't have to prove ourselves to everyone just like everyone else?

And I've been judged as a criminal a lot of times. Just because I was a young guy. The cops were incredible dicks to me.

No religious groups ever told you that your skin was dark because you were from the race of Cain. No medical/secular/gov't groups ever hypothesized that you were of inferior genes because you weren't white. In fact, I think the only white man ever commonly compared to a monkey was George Bush - that comparison seems to be exclusively reserved for black people, and it took a president of surpassing stupidity, arrogance, ignorance and general fuckwittery for cartoonists to start publishing that.

Yeah it sucks that some people treat other people like that. I've never done that. I do get the blame for that happening though. Why? Because of my race.

You poor little white man. What's the problem - someone tell you that you have a smaller dick?

WTF?

It is NOT okay for whites to be demonized. And it is NOT okay to decide that you - the dominant race - must somehow push back against races you have continually marginalized, demeaned and insulted just because a bunch of someones called a spade for a spade. Zimmerman was a racist fuck, and so are you. You and your white power. No one needs a "white power" month or cry, because whites still have all the power.

A Theist marginalized, demeaned and insulted some other race? Well fuck him, then. I don't agree with that.

I don't think he did though. But he sure as hell is going to take the fucking blame for it. That white cracker bastard.

No one's going to call you a nigger the second they get angry at you for no fucking reason at all. No one's going to try and deport you because of your skin color the second you get called into a police station and can't find your papers. No one's going to look at you and judge you a criminal walking down the street simply because of the way you're dressed.

And A Theist isn't going to treat anyone like that either. But that white bastard is going to be demonized for the sins of other white assholes that did that to someone somewhere at sometime.

I'm a fucking Southerner. I get treated like shit all the time. When I joined the navy I encountered a lot of hatred against Texans and Southerners. People would select us out all the time. I had an instructor in class say to my face, "Are you a Texan? I don't like Texans." With a dead serious look on his face.

In bootcamp some recruits heard my southern accent and did the Deliverance banjo noises at me.

I see shit like this thrown around as entertainment:





Haha. Stupid, inbred Southerners.

I think I know what it's like to be treated like shit for things that have nothing to do with me as an individual.

Why is it considered wrong in our society to be racist against minorities but it's ok to be racist against white people?

Why is that socially acceptable? I've been screamed at that I'm a horrible person because white people used to have slaves.

I've never enslaved anyone.

I've been barked at that I'm shit because white people used to lynch blacks.

I've never lynched anyone.

I've been insulted that I should be disgusted with myself because I've kept the black man down denying him dignity and respect.

I give everyone dignity and respect.

I don't do any of these horrible things. Because I'm not an ignorant idiot.

But I'm scum because of my race. An evil, sick fucking white asshole.

I don't think that's right.

But I can't say anything about it or I'm a hate-mongering KKK member.

And that's how we're trained from birth in our society. Don't you dare say you're not a bad person because other white people treated minorities wrong. And we're going to talk about it right now. Every fucking day. How you're a bad person. And you better not say shit. Because if you say shit you're a fucking racist.

If you stand up for yourself and say, "Woah. I didn't do any of those horrible things..."

Holy shit. You just fucked yourself buddy.

Most white people know just to shut the fuck up and act like nothing's going on. Just shut up went someone goes on a rant about how whites are horrible people. Because everyone, including other white people will shit all over you.

Because if you participate in demonizing white people you are intelligent, socially conscious, well educated, mature. You're a good person if you go along with demonizing white people.

It's starting to get a little old to tell you the truth.

[The Magic Pudding]

Time For Whites To Wake Up

Ah fek no, go away, just ten more minutes.

[thesummerqueen]

A Theist.
Dear god. It must be so fucking hard to be a white male right now. It's so hard to be the ones who still earn the most money, who don't have to prove themselves in face-to-face interviews, who don't get judged as criminals by outward appearances in comparison.

We don't have to prove ourselves in face-to-face interviews? I've gone to a lot of interviews in my life. I've proved myself in face-to-face interviews for every job I've ever had.

Do I just email an employer, "I'm a white guy. I'm taking this job. See you on Monday."?

Uh, no. Why do you think we don't have to prove ourselves to everyone just like everyone else?

And I've been judged as a criminal a lot of times. Just because I was a young guy. The cops were incredible dicks to me.

Let's start with getting call backs:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/weekin....html?_r=0

http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spr...lbias.html

And then there is the fact that affirmative action exists for a reason.

No religious groups ever told you that your skin was dark because you were from the race of Cain. No medical/secular/gov't groups ever hypothesized that you were of inferior genes because you weren't white. In fact, I think the only white man ever commonly compared to a monkey was George Bush - that comparison seems to be exclusively reserved for black people, and it took a president of surpassing stupidity, arrogance, ignorance and general fuckwittery for cartoonists to start publishing that.

Yeah it sucks that some people treat other people like that. I've never done that. I do get the blame for that happening though. Why? Because of my race.

Be a grown up and tell the person who is blaming you for shit you never did to stop acting as if you were the one that did it. Then you turn around and be compassionate about the fact that some white asshole DID do that to that person. Compassion is something you can give without having to receive it first.

You poor little white man. What's the problem - someone tell you that you have a smaller dick?

WTF?

He deserved the comment.

It is NOT okay for whites to be demonized. And it is NOT okay to decide that you - the dominant race - must somehow push back against races you have continually marginalized, demeaned and insulted just because a bunch of someones called a spade for a spade. Zimmerman was a racist fuck, and so are you. You and your white power. No one needs a "white power" month or cry, because whites still have all the power.

A Theist marginalized, demeaned and insulted some other race? Well fuck him, then. I don't agree with that.

I don't think he did though. But he sure as hell is going to take the fucking blame for it. That white cracker bastard.

I highly doubt anyone insulted him personally - I'm willing to bet that most, if not all, was him seeing something on the news that irritated him.

No one's going to call you a nigger the second they get angry at you for no fucking reason at all. No one's going to try and deport you because of your skin color the second you get called into a police station and can't find your papers. No one's going to look at you and judge you a criminal walking down the street simply because of the way you're dressed.

And A Theist isn't going to treat anyone like that either. But that white bastard is going to be demonized for the sins of other white assholes that did that to someone somewhere at sometime.

See earlier comment.

I'm a fucking Southerner. I get treated like shit all the time. When I joined the navy I encountered a lot of hatred against Texans and Southerners. People would select us out all the time. I had an instructor in class say to my face, "Are you a Texan? I don't like Texans." With a dead serious look on his face.

In bootcamp some recruits heard my southern accent and did the Deliverance banjo noises at me.

I see shit like this thrown around as entertainment:

http://www.newturfers.com/mwf/attach/78/...erance.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TgXdJDzHU6g/US...mpsons.jpg

Haha. Stupid, inbred Southerners.

I think I know what it's like to be treated like shit for things that have nothing to do with me as an individual.

No one's miming or discussing erecting nooses because you're southern. No one burned crosses in your yard for being southern. No one ever created laws specifically making you, a southerner, have to sit on the back of northern buses or use different water fountains from the yankees. Get the fuck over yourself.

Why is it considered wrong in our society to be racist against minorities but it's ok to be racist against white people?

Why is that socially acceptable? I've been screamed at that I'm a horrible person because white people used to have slaves.

It's not. No one here said it was okay for anyone to ever treat someone horribly for any reason. Our point is that we don't need a "white power" movement because, derp, whites still have all the power.

I've been insulted that I should be disgusted with myself because I've kept the black man down denying him dignity and respect.

Maybe you should ask yourself about why you were told that - is it possible that person was projecting many of the problems he had with people of your skin color onto you? Hello, welcome, you understand now what it's like to be a minority and you correctly find it disgusting. Now understand that minorities deal with that shit every day. We deal with it as atheists. I dealt with it as a Jew. I deal with it as a woman. Not because I did anything, but because I happened to be born some way. Instead of deciding you need to punish those people who are acting out of frustration, maybe you should start thinking about the problems that cause them to be that way to begin with an eliminating them.

Disparity of income.

Disparity of social treatment.

Disparity of education.

But I'm scum because of my race. An evil, sick fucking white asshole.

I would hazard a guess and bet the last $150 I have in my checking account that only a few blacks out of the majority actually think that about you.

But I can't say anything about it or I'm a hate-mongering KKK member.

Bullshit - pointing out mistreatment from any corner is never wrong.

And that's how we're trained from birth in our society. Don't you dare say you're not a bad person because other white people treated minorities wrong. And we're going to talk about it right now. Every fucking day. How you're a bad person. And you better not say shit. Because if you say shit you're a fucking racist.

If you stand up for yourself and say, "Woah. I didn't do any of those horrible things..."

Holy shit. You just fucked yourself buddy.

You seem to be doing well, despite the fact that you're saying it.

Most white people know just to shut the fuck up and act like nothing's going on. Just shut up went someone goes on a rant about how whites are horrible people. Because everyone, including other white people will shit all over you.

Because if you participate in demonizing white people you are intelligent, socially conscious, well educated, mature. You're a good person if you go along with demonizing white people.

It's starting to get a little old to tell you the truth.

Finished crying about how bad your life is now?

[A Theist]

A Theist.
Dear god. It must be so fucking hard to be a white male right now. It's so hard to be the ones who still earn the most money, who don't have to prove themselves in face-to-face interviews, who don't get judged as criminals by outward appearances in comparison.

We don't have to prove ourselves in face-to-face interviews? I've gone to a lot of interviews in my life. I've proved myself in face-to-face interviews for every job I've ever had.

Do I just email an employer, "I'm a white guy. I'm taking this job. See you on Monday."?

Uh, no. Why do you think we don't have to prove ourselves to everyone just like everyone else?

And I've been judged as a criminal a lot of times. Just because I was a young guy. The cops were incredible dicks to me.

No religious groups ever told you that your skin was dark because you were from the race of Cain. No medical/secular/gov't groups ever hypothesized that you were of inferior genes because you weren't white. In fact, I think the only white man ever commonly compared to a monkey was George Bush - that comparison seems to be exclusively reserved for black people, and it took a president of surpassing stupidity, arrogance, ignorance and general fuckwittery for cartoonists to start publishing that.

Yeah it sucks that some people treat other people like that. I've never done that. I do get the blame for that happening though. Why? Because of my race.

You poor little white man. What's the problem - someone tell you that you have a smaller dick?

WTF?

It is NOT okay for whites to be demonized. And it is NOT okay to decide that you - the dominant race - must somehow push back against races you have continually marginalized, demeaned and insulted just because a bunch of someones called a spade for a spade. Zimmerman was a racist fuck, and so are you. You and your white power. No one needs a "white power" month or cry, because whites still have all the power.

A Theist marginalized, demeaned and insulted some other race? Well fuck him, then. I don't agree with that.

I don't think he did though. But he sure as hell is going to take the fucking blame for it. That white cracker bastard.

No one's going to call you a nigger the second they get angry at you for no fucking reason at all. No one's going to try and deport you because of your skin color the second you get called into a police station and can't find your papers. No one's going to look at you and judge you a criminal walking down the street simply because of the way you're dressed.

And A Theist isn't going to treat anyone like that either. But that white bastard is going to be demonized for the sins of other white assholes that did that to someone somewhere at sometime.

I'm a fucking Southerner. I get treated like shit all the time. When I joined the navy I encountered a lot of hatred against Texans and Southerners. People would select us out all the time. I had an instructor in class say to my face, "Are you a Texan? I don't like Texans." With a dead serious look on his face.

In bootcamp some recruits heard my southern accent and did the Deliverance banjo noises at me.

I see shit like this thrown around as entertainment:





Haha. Stupid, inbred Southerners.

I think I know what it's like to be treated like shit for things that have nothing to do with me as an individual.

Why is it considered wrong in our society to be racist against minorities but it's ok to be racist against white people?

Why is that socially acceptable? I've been screamed at that I'm a horrible person because white people used to have slaves.

I've never enslaved anyone.

I've been barked at that I'm shit because white people used to lynch blacks.

I've never lynched anyone.

I've been insulted that I should be disgusted with myself because I've kept the black man down denying him dignity and respect.

I give everyone dignity and respect.

I don't do any of these horrible things. Because I'm not an ignorant idiot.

But I'm scum because of my race. An evil, sick fucking white asshole.

I don't think that's right.

But I can't say anything about it or I'm a hate-mongering KKK member.

And that's how we're trained from birth in our society. Don't you dare say you're not a bad person because other white people treated minorities wrong. And we're going to talk about it right now. Every fucking day. How you're a bad person. And you better not say shit. Because if you say shit you're a fucking racist.

If you stand up for yourself and say, "Woah. I didn't do any of those horrible things..."

Holy shit. You just fucked yourself buddy.

Most white people know just to shut the fuck up and act like nothing's going on. Just shut up went someone goes on a rant about how whites are horrible people. Because everyone, including other white people will shit all over you.

Because if you participate in demonizing white people you are intelligent, socially conscious, well educated, mature. You're a good person if you go along with demonizing white people.

It's starting to get a little old to tell you the truth.

Yes! Every bit the truth! Well put! But you'll get accused of being a racist for having the courage to tell the truth.

[thesummerqueen]

And do you know what disgusts me at all? It's not you pointing out that some blacks wrongfully blame whites for things.

It's because y'all are acting like martyrs for things you're not even suffering for.

[Rahul]

And you are talking out of your ass.

Zimmerman was a racist fuck.

Zimmerman's family: