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How not to make Muslims angry.
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RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
(July 23, 2013 at 10:05 am)genkaus Wrote:
(July 23, 2013 at 9:58 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, there is a difference between a civilized society and a society full of wusses. In a civilized society, people respect, not disrespect eachother.
Discussions about certain delicate topics are held betwen members of academic thought. But as I have said, it doesn't have to be a mob that you're facing. No one faces a mob on their own. They surely have their own mob nearby.

In a civilized society both respect and disrespect are contextual. And there you can be disrespectful of those undeserving of your respect without fear of violent repercussions. Does that sound like your society?

Bah. Does that sound like yours? The minute you don't convict one white guy for simply defending himself against a black guy, you now face riots. You don't even have to say anything disrespectful, the opposing side feels "disrespected" automatically, and responds with a riot.
Here, obviously no. Unless you're a complete asshole, people will leave you alone.
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#12
RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
I think remaining completely ignorant of the Arab culture is enough to incite anger. You don't have to believe in their practices and agree with their way of living, but you should still respect it.

For instance, you should never wave to an Arab with your left hand. Doing so is highly disrespectful, for it is the hand with which they clean themselves, leaving the right hand sanitary for all social interactions.

Do not prop your feet up in a way that reveals the bottoms of your shoes. This is also highly disrespectful and should be avoided at all costs. I've had to practice keeping my feet planted on the ground whilst interacting my Arabic instructors. I'd say after 7 years of practice I've become pretty cognizant of my feet's position.

In certain countries, you do not speak to any of the females. Do your best to avert your eyes, if you can. Even if your intentions are not of a base sort, it's best to just avoid the action at all costs. (Always look up the local customs of any country before you set foot there - for instance, in pretty much every other place that's not America or Britannia, if someone offers your food or drink, you'd better damn well take it! Even if it's an alcoholic beverage and you don't drink...this time, you will drink it.)

Remember that culture is not always synonymous with religion. Though some cultural traits arise because of a religious background, that does not give an atheist or non-believer the right to ridicule what goes on the country. There is always a time and place to express concerns over issues of morality and ethics, but don't do so while you're interacting with, say, Saudis on their own soil.
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#13
RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
(July 23, 2013 at 10:31 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Bah. Does that sound like yours?

Nope. But then I never said I considered my society to be the epitome of civilization. And you still didn't answer the question.

(July 23, 2013 at 10:31 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: The minute you don't convict one white guy for simply defending himself against a black guy, you now face riots. You don't even have to say anything disrespectful, the opposing side feels "disrespected" automatically, and responds with a riot.

What are you babbling about? There have never been any racially motivated riots in my country.

(July 23, 2013 at 10:31 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Here, obviously no. Unless you're a complete asshole, people will leave you alone.

Your words suggest otherwise.
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#14
RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
(July 23, 2013 at 9:31 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Better topic: "How not to make muslims angry"

That would deserve some serious research.

I'm pretty sure we could make Muslims happy if we all agree to live under sharia law and keep our apostasy to ourselves. Big Grin
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#15
RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
Quote:Nope. But then I never said I considered my society to be the epitome of civilization. And you still didn't answer the question.
What I was trying to say was that you cannot say everything you want, anywhere you want and to anyone you want. There is no such thing as unlimited freedom of speech.
Quote:What are you babbling about? There have never been any racially motivated riots in my country.
Oh, I thought that you were from the US. Don't know where you're from, but in most of the west, there are.

Quote:Your words suggest otherwise.
My words are as they are friend. Unless you come and insult me in front of me, you're a provocative asshole. Such people are not welcome here.
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RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
They seem to be very down on cartoons.
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#17
RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
(July 23, 2013 at 11:30 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I think remaining completely ignorant of the Arab culture is enough to incite anger. You don't have to believe in their practices and agree with their way of living, but you should still respect it.

For instance, you should never wave to an Arab with your left hand. Doing so is highly disrespectful, for it is the hand with which they clean themselves, leaving the right hand sanitary for all social interactions.

Do not prop your feet up in a way that reveals the bottoms of your shoes. This is also highly disrespectful and should be avoided at all costs. I've had to practice keeping my feet planted on the ground whilst interacting my Arabic instructors. I'd say after 7 years of practice I've become pretty cognizant of my feet's position.

In certain countries, you do not speak to any of the females. Do your best to avert your eyes, if you can. Even if your intentions are not of a base sort, it's best to just avoid the action at all costs. (Always look up the local customs of any country before you set foot there - for instance, in pretty much every other place that's not America or Britannia, if someone offers your food or drink, you'd better damn well take it! Even if it's an alcoholic beverage and you don't drink...this time, you will drink it.)

Remember that culture is not always synonymous with religion. Though some cultural traits arise because of a religious background, that does not give an atheist or non-believer the right to ridicule what goes on the country. There is always a time and place to express concerns over issues of morality and ethics, but don't do so while you're interacting with, say, Saudis on their own soil.

A lot of Saudis themselves attempt to subvert the clear oppression to which they are clearly subjected to.

I think there's a difference between harmless societal norms that are just a mild inconvenience for going about your daily life (not waving with ones left hand), and being prevented from even leaving the house unless being accompanied a male.

I agree though, trying to make a point as an outsider whilst within the country is generally a bad idea. Case in point, a Norwegian woman was raped in a Dubai hotel ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23404042 ) and was advised against set informing the police owing to their extra marital sex laws. She ignored them and went to the police for help, and was subsequently arrested. It was obvious this would occur as there's a clear track record on this, but she did it anyway becuase she's used to common sense legislation on rape and human rights in Norway. The laws on this in Dubai are crazy, and I don't care that it might be labeled as cultural differences I don't 'get'.

Insane laws that, despite being as much a cultural as well as a religious idea, are very much a contravention of even basic human rights as most would understand them. They need to the challenged, ridiculed and ultimately destroyed.
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#18
RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
Considering the fact that Muslims are so provocative in their way of life by wearing funny clothes, shouting from funny buildings on Fridays and during early morning hours with no respect for other peoples around them, it seems logical to me that basic self defense is unavoidable.

The problem with trying not to provoke them to anger is a stupid one because they are the instigators of violence and barbarism and any opposition or differing thought is treated as a threat to their oppressive way of life. It's like telling women they should not provoke a serial killer when they sleep at night, they should stay awake or telling people not to provoke thieves by calling the police.

Muslims are certainly against human rights, without a doubt, and the world don't believe them to be a religion of peace, they only believe themselves to be peaceful when the blood of the innocent drips from their hands and stones and the never ending abuse continues.

What are Muslims doing to prevent themselves from insulting, offending and provoking normal intelligent people who loves freedom more than oppression and what are they doing about the way they look in public not to mention the noise pollution coming from their ugly buildings? Gosh! What a sore eye!

The problem with religion is manifested right here. If you hold on to one you have to allow the other even if it's totally psychotic.
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#19
RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
(July 23, 2013 at 9:49 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: As for Malaysia, Indonesia, I don't know why anyone really cares about them either, except for Chinkapork, who hates Malaysia.
You want to elaborate on that?
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#20
RE: How not to make Muslims angry.
(July 23, 2013 at 1:39 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: What I was trying to say was that you cannot say everything you want, anywhere you want and to anyone you want. There is no such thing as unlimited freedom of speech.

Yet. In a civilized society - there would be.

(July 23, 2013 at 1:39 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: My words are as they are friend. Unless you come and insult me in front of me, you're a provocative asshole. Such people are not welcome here.

I don't want to be a provocative asshole, but I can't come and insult you in front of you. How about I insult you right here? Would that make me less of a provocative asshole?
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