No verifiable evidence is the Christian position

[StuW]

My comment was sarcastic stuw. It was once known for that.

Sorry, I read it as being serious, I don't see any way of qualifying it as being a historic statement, but then again I'm new here :-)

[Fidel_Castronaut]

This thread is a huge thank you to all non Christians who support us Christians (and possibly all theists) by constantly banging on about there not being any verifiable evidence of God.

No matter how many times you say it, there are still people out there with other idiotic ideas about there being verifiable evidence.

So thanks a lot guys, your support it very much appreciated!

Well, frodo, I think we all know this already.

Belief in a god is based on just that, a belief. Faith, if you will.

However, even that as a position begins to unravel in certain perspectives because, even if we deny that there is any evidence for a deity, at least verifiable evidence (the only form that matters to the question at hand), then we have to contradict accounts in numerous holy literature that claims directly that its deity had a physical (and thus verifiable) impact on the temporal realm.

A burning bush, sending your son (yourself?) down to earth, turning water into wine, people who live for hundreds of years and so on.

Physical results from physical impacts. These should be measurable, unless we start claiming special pleading. But them the argument falls due to its fallacious underpinnings.

[downbeatplumb]

This thread is a huge thank you to all non Christians who support us Christians (and possibly all theists) by constantly banging on about there not being any verifiable evidence of God.

No matter how many times you say it, there are still people out there with other idiotic ideas about there being verifiable evidence.

So thanks a lot guys, your support it very much appreciated!

I fail to understand how you can believe in something that you admit has no verifiable evidence for it.

You even state elsewhere that it can't have evidence for it!

My position is this.

People are prone to believe all sorts of stupid things. (scientologists I'm looking at you).
The only way to cut out prejudices, wishful thinking and cultural bias is with verifiable evidence.
Without it you just have an unsupported idea that can be dismissed as at best unproven but probably just wrong.

You are an intelligent man who seems to be purposefully clinging onto rather silly ideas for no reason other than you would quite like them to be true.

[Edwardo Piet]

Thanks for admitting, once again, that you believe in nonsense, fr0d0.

Thanks this time for making it so blatantly clear by creating a blatant thread about it.

I've been waiting for this thread since you joined in fact....

So when I say thank you I mean.... THANK YOU!!

[Bad Writer]

Fr0d0, is this a cry for help?

[LastPoet]

Fr0ds, why are you ninja-trolling the atheists around? Bad, bad h0bbit.

In other news, I'm glad that you haven't changed for the worst ever since I joined this forum, although you used more the cryptic language known as fr0f0-speak

[Esquilax]

This thread is a huge thank you to all non Christians who support us Christians (and possibly all theists) by constantly banging on about there not being any verifiable evidence of God.

No matter how many times you say it, there are still people out there with other idiotic ideas about there being verifiable evidence.

So thanks a lot guys, your support it very much appreciated!

So, do you believe every claim you have no evidence for, or just the ones that you already have a presupposition toward believing?

If it's the former, I've got a bridge to sell you. And a bunch of other things. Your god gave me a list. It'll be pretty expensive, but worth it... I don't need evidence for that, right?

[fr0d0]

even if we deny that there is any evidence for a deity, at least verifiable evidence (the only form that matters to the question at hand), then we have to contradict accounts in numerous holy literature that claims directly that its deity had a physical (and thus verifiable) impact on the temporal realm.

A burning bush, sending your son (yourself?) down to earth, turning water into wine, people who live for hundreds of years and so on.

Physical results from physical impacts. These should be measurable, unless we start claiming special pleading. But them the argument falls due to its fallacious underpinnings.

Nah you got it all wrong Fid

Not one of those things, although actual (if you're happy to accept that) physical interactions with reality, leave no trace of the supernatural. The can all be explained naturally, which is why, even seeing those things with their own eyes, just the same as you see miracles with _your_ own eyes, people still didn't all believe that their wasn't a naturalistic explanation.

Nothing is measurable, so your claims stay intact. There is no verifiable physical evidence of God.

I'd like to thank you personally for your supportive post.

Thanks!

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I've been waiting for this thread since you joined in fact....

So when I say thank you I mean.... THANK YOU!!

LOL well thanks Mike the thanks is of course warmly reciprocated.

I've said this from the beginning. There can't be verifiable evidence. I think it was my first post here. I'm sure you were involved. I know we had our own thread on it too.

You stating, even having as your old username as "EvidenceVsFaith" was the perfect support to Christianity. I don't think I've ever thanked you for that, so here it is: Thanks from all Christians Mike, for your support in ironing out this fallacy. Listen up folkes: "The can be no verifiable evidence of God".

I hope you're suitably honoured by that Mike.
Peace.

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Fr0ds, why are you ninja-trolling the atheists around? Bad, bad h0bbit.

In other news, I'm glad that you haven't changed for the worst ever since I joined this forum, although you used more the cryptic language known as fr0f0-speak

Hey Poet my favourite Portugese!

Yah I'm trying hard for you my friend.

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So, do you believe every claim you have no evidence for

Hey Squiz

I believe nothing without evidence!

I think you deserve a special award for your stalwart work for the cause. So here you are. Keep on truckin' Esq.



From Christians everywhere, THANKS!

[ThomM]

Actually - if you want good reason NOT TO believe - ask theists

They will give you LOTS of rational reasons why every other religion is wrong but theirs.

AND after listening to ALL of them - there will be no rational reason to believe in any of them

[Esquilax]

Actually - if you want good reason NOT TO believe - ask theists

They will give you LOTS of rational reasons why every other religion is wrong but theirs.

AND after listening to ALL of them - there will be no rational reason to believe in any of them

See, you added an extra step, there: I honestly though you were going to stop at "want a reason not to believe? Just look at all the rational reasons for belief theists give!"

Because, just talking to Frodo... I wouldn't believe the things he does.