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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 6:01 am
(This post was last modified: August 17, 2013 at 6:05 am by fr0d0.)
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(August 17, 2013 at 4:49 am)Esquilax Wrote: Frodo, how could you possibly be happy, intellectually, with having to hold such a position?
Because the position is entirely consistent with my world view and my belief, as yours should be to you.
Or do you not think that Christians should believe that there should be verifiable proof of the supernatural? How do you justify this nonsense?
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 6:57 am
(August 17, 2013 at 6:01 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Or do you not think that Christians should believe that there should be verifiable proof of the supernatural? How do you justify this nonsense?
Yes, I do think that there should be verifiable proof for anything in which you express a positive belief, no exceptions.
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 7:01 am
(August 17, 2013 at 6:01 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Because the position is entirely consistent with my world view and my belief, as yours should be to you.
I asked you how you can be happy with this as your worldview, and your answer is "because it's my worldview."
Quote:Or do you not think that Christians should believe that there should be verifiable proof of the supernatural? How do you justify this nonsense?
You've admitted on multiple occasions that there's no verifiable evidence for your claims, no reason to believe supernatural claims beyond that you want to: why? How could you be satisfied with believing a thing just because you feel like it?
Honestly, I've asked you what it is that convinces you of your position before, and you've never really given a straight answer. Your explanation in your last post was just riddled with presuppositions... what's the deal here?
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 7:50 am
@Esq I won't bother wasting time on your straw men. You can't be bothered to address me squarely. That doesn't deserve an answer.
(August 17, 2013 at 6:57 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (August 17, 2013 at 6:01 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Or do you not think that Christians should believe that there should be verifiable proof of the supernatural? How do you justify this nonsense?
Yes, I do think that there should be verifiable proof for anything in which you express a positive belief, no exceptions.
You still didn't justify that. Why shouldn't a rationally justified argument be enough to believe something? Why should we not trust our reasoning abilities?
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 7:58 am
(August 17, 2013 at 7:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Why shouldn't a rationally justified argument be enough to believe something?
There is nothing rationally justified about believing in something for which there is no verifiable evidence to support its existence.
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 8:11 am
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That kind of destroys the notion of 'rational' then maelstrom. If you don't allow yourself to think, then you couldn't get to a point of verifying anything.
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 8:18 am
(August 17, 2013 at 8:11 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If you don't allow yourself to think, then you couldn't get to a point of verifying anything.
What you truly mean is if one allows one's self to not think, then that individual could believe all sorts of fairy tales are real.
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 8:26 am
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No, thinking is what enables us to know that fairy tales are just that. That's why you come out with this tired old cliche. To you a rock isn't a rock until you've walked into it and cracked open your skull.
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 8:33 am
(August 17, 2013 at 8:26 am)fr0d0 Wrote: To you a rock isn't a rock until you've walked into it and cracked open your skull.
A rock is a rock because its existence can be verified. The same cannot be stated for god, for the only way to believe in his existence is to close one's eyes to reality and pretend he is there when he obviously is not. God is nothing more than an imaginary friend for grown ups who have never grown up.
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 17, 2013 at 8:49 am
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Yes absolutely. You have to verify the rock exists before you can believe it. Do you see how dumb that is? The rest of humanity reason that if it looks like a rock, it is a rock. No need to test that. Humans are capable of reaching rational conclusions and building on them. This is how a lot of progress is made. You would have us transported back to our past where we had instinct and no memory. The goldfish is your evolutionary next step.
But we digress. I'm glad that you agree with me that there can be no verifiable evidence. Thanks for the support 
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