I have a question

[Minimalist]

evidence does not necessarily mean something you can hear, touch or see,

Yes, it does.

We are not interested in the delusions of theists.

BTW, there are plenty of muslims on this site who insist that their boy did all the work. I bet you think they are wrong, too.

[Bad Writer]

Replace the word "god" with " invisible pink unicorn", and you'll find that both claims to their existences can be substantiated the same way. If you're bright enough to reject the existence of unicorns, why do you adhere to the same manner of claim for god?

[Jackalope]

I'm regretting taking the original question seriously.

[yoleeena]

Okay, so atheists say the universe started with a Big Bang, which I don't disagree with BUT
The 'thing' that exploded or whatever to create the universe, where did that come from?
I mean, everything has to come from somewhere right? As in, you can produce something from nothing, because you had nothing to work with to start with. This is what my common says tells me anyway

So yeah, that tiny thing that exploded, it must have come from somewhere so how do atheists explain this?

Ok, the truth is scientists DONT KNOW, if there was something or nothing prior to the "singularity". But Steven Hawkins has said " A GOD IS NOT REQUIRED"

Theists stupidly assume a "who" as the starting point. The problem with a cognition being the starting point is the problem of infinite regress. If that "who" is complex that started all this, then something prior to that "who" had to start that would be even more complex, thus then something even more complex than that "who" had to start that "who" and then something even more complex had to start that "who".

Now if everything has a cognitive cause, then why shouldn't you buy the god Thor making lightening? Why shouldn't a hurricane be caused by the ocean god Posiden if everything requires a cognition?

Or wouldn't it make more sense that humans make up gods because they reflect the personal and cultural desires of the societies that concoct them?

The truth is that you want a god to be real. The truth is it is nothing more than YOU avoiding your finite existence and in want of a utopia that does not exist.

The truth is you accept, the silliness of prior cultures praying to volcanos. The truth is that you accept that the sun is not a god, like the Ancient Egyptians falsely believed for 3,000 years.

I'd suggest that if you can life your life without believing in Horus, or Apollo or Thor, or Vishnu, or Allah, then you need to consider that your "god" is nothing more than the wishful thinking in your own head.

I consider "all this" as being a "what" not a "who". Much like a volcano is a what, and a hurricane is a what. So to me the argument of infinite vs finite is a bullshit distraction. Science is pointing in both cases, which it has not settled on, that in either case, there does not have to be a programer or designer or god. Our best evidence right now is that we are in a giant weather pattern, which is both chaos and order in which neither require the childish gap answer of ancient superstition in the form of god/s which are nothing but a reflection of our own narcissism.

With the creation of the universe, one of the things that were created were time. So what does this mean? This means that if God created this universe and therefore created time, He is not affected or bounded by time, so what can we say from this?
This means God has no beginning or end, because what moved us for example, from the point of birth to death, is time right?
So if God isn't affected by this, this means he had always existed, and therefore no one or thing had created him

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Not when there is no evidence for the existence of god.

But say God wanted to make this life a test for human beings, do you honestly expect Him to come down on earth and say 'Look people, Im here!'?

So god is betting my eternal life - wait hold on, are we talking Christianity here or something else?

The evidence IS here, but you are refusing to consider it, evidence does not necessarily mean something you can hear, touch or see, you people must realise that, for example you know have a great-great-great-great grandmother for example, even though you cannot see, hear or touch her because you use your logic
In the same way, we look at the signs to say God exists, for example

We don't just use our logic. It's empirically proven that humans come from their mothers (with their dad's sperm in the mix in case you want to get nitpicky).

The slant of the earth, tilted at an angle of 23 degrees, gives us our seasons; if the earth had not been so tilted, vapors from the ocean would move north and south, piling up for us continents of ice. If our moon were, say, only 50,000 miles away instead of its actual distance, our tides might be so enormous that twice a day all continents would be submerged; even the mountains could soon be eroded away. If the crust of the earth had only been ten feet thicker, there would be no oxygen, without which animal life must die. Had the ocean been a few feet deeper, carbon dioxide and oxygen would have been absorbed and no vegetable life could exist.

This means there is intelligence behind the universe, therefore we call that intelligence 'God'

Blablablablabla, therefore god. You have it backwards.

I think many of you don't know who 'God' is, God isnt some guy with a long beard+hair who watched over the world, your idea of God is totally distorted

You don't even know me but you know what my idea of god is? It's hard to take someone seriously when they claim they know me better than I do.

[Silver]

But say God wanted to make this life a test for human beings.

Then he would be a rather selfish, immature god unworthy of worship.

do you honestly expect Him to come down on earth and say 'Look people, Im here!'?

Sure, according to the bible, he has done it in the past. There is no reason he cannot do it now, unless he does not exist.

The evidence IS here, but you are refusing to consider it.

There is no evidence. All any theist has is faith, which is the veritable lack of evidence.

This means there is intelligence behind the universe.

False, you are merely attributing everything to god because you are intellectually lazy and you want a readily easy answer to questions that we honestly do not yet have all the answers.

I think many of you don't know who 'God' is.

One can know your god as well as anyone can know a fictional character.

[Bad Writer]

Do you have evidence for a being that exists outside of time?

[yoleeena]

evidence does not necessarily mean something you can hear, touch or see,

Yes, it does.

We are not interested in the delusions of theists.

BTW, there are plenty of muslims on this site who insist that their boy did all the work. I bet you think they are wrong, too.

This is why science will NEVER answer the big questions of life such as where did we come from, where are we going, etc because we only take as fact or evidence that which we can see, touch or hear, and forget that we humans beings are limited and restricted, there is only so much we can see, touch or hear
Now, Im not saying we shouldn't take as fact or evidence that which we can see, touch or hear BUT we need to use logic and common sense, it just doesn't make sense to say the universe just popped out of nowhere suddenly for no reason

[Captain Colostomy]

Hi! Welcome to AF!

Wait...this isn't the intro section?

Good.

God is a shit stain in the drawers of those who fear the unknown. Some things are still unknown to man, to be sure, but cravenly crapping your pants does nothing but make you walk funny. Godidit is a crap out, er, cop out to understanding.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Yes, it does.

We are not interested in the delusions of theists.

BTW, there are plenty of muslims on this site who insist that their boy did all the work. I bet you think they are wrong, too.

This is why science will NEVER answer the big questions of life such as where did we come from, where are we going, etc because we only take as fact or evidence that which we can see, touch or hear, and forget that we humans beings are limited and restricted, there is only so much we can see, touch or hear
Now, Im not saying we shouldn't take as fact or evidence that which we can see, touch or hear BUT we need to use logic and common sense, it just doesn't make sense to say the universe just popped out of nowhere suddenly for no reason

Aren't you here to tell us that you know something that humans are unable to see, hear or touch? And yet you want to, at the same time, convince us that you are unable to do so because you're human? Maybe you need to sort out your position before you try to convince someone else of it.