Must all be proven?

[Violet]

[fr0d0]

[theVOID]

[fr0d0]

So do you have any of this so called 'proof' then VOID? QED

[theVOID]

So do you have any of this so called 'proof' then VOID? QED

No, the studies i have seen had faith equal with placebo, unless you know of others?

But mainly i was saying that sort of statistical evidence would be compelling, it would have to be substantial but it would mean something was at work.

So no, i don't think it would be impossible to prove certain Biblical claims, but you need evidence first to verify it and a testable, repeatable experiment that is open for anyone to scrutinize.

Too bad it's all bullshit huh?

[theblindferrengi]

TBF claimed that 'pagan' meant no belief in God, which is still wrong under your definition.

So I suppose if the christian god was somehow proven, that would make us all athiests pagans? Not that we aren't already, as a pagan is just someone who is a non-christian, but still...

No, I use the term only to describe a non-christian, as is clearly stated. A non-christian does not believe in the chriatian version of god. Therefore somebody who does not believe in the christian version of god is a pagan.

[fr0d0]

So do you have any of this so called 'proof' then VOID? QED

No, the studies i have seen had faith equal with placebo, unless you know of others?

But mainly i was saying that sort of statistical evidence would be compelling, it would have to be substantial but it would mean something was at work.

So no, i don't think it would be impossible to prove certain Biblical claims, but you need evidence first to verify it and a testable, repeatable experiment that is open for anyone to scrutinize.

Too bad it's all bullshit huh?

It's more than 'debatable' VOID, it's logically impossible. You think there wouldn't be one shred of scientific evidence? Think about it, should anything emerge: what would satisfy you of it's authenticity? If I gambled I'd put money on it. Big money, coz I know very well it's a cert.. You can't have it both ways... you can't ridicule Christians over the lack of evidence and then claim that there could be evidence.

TBF claimed that 'pagan' meant no belief in God, which is still wrong under your definition.

So I suppose if the christian god was somehow proven, that would make us all athiests pagans? Not that we aren't already, as a pagan is just someone who is a non-christian, but still...

No, I use the term only to describe a non-christian, as is clearly stated. A non-christian does not believe in the chriatian version of god. Therefore somebody who does not believe in the christian version of god is a pagan.

What you're saying there TBF is that an atheist is the same as a pagan who is the same as a non Christian - which of courses is false. An atheist is not a pagan, because paganism can clearly mean the belief in a deity.

[Violet]

Depends. A pagan under this definition does not believe in the Christian god. It does not in any way suggest that the pagan does not believe in Zeus.

An Atheist does not believe in god(S)... a pagan is just someone who doesn't believe in the Christian 'God'

That's all he's saying Is an atheist a pagan? They would have to be. Is a pagan necessarily an atheist? Not at all

[Amphora]

[fr0d0]

You're limiting the term pagan there Sae where that isn't the absolute definition. Is an atheist pagan: only where paganism is defined as without god(s). It doesn't really make sense.

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@ Amp: Fisrt.. note the sig. Second, yes there were many atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, especially during that period. If paganism pre-dated Christianity as you've highlighted then Saerules' statement that 'paganism means non christian' has to be false.