Must all be proven?

[Violet]

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pagan |ˈpāgən|
noun
a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
• dated derogatory a non-Christian.
• an adherent of neopaganism.

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I'm sorry fr0d0... all it meant when the term was coined was 'non-christian'. Now it means the above. TBF made no mistake when stating that all it meant was 'non-Christians'.

I love this dictionary

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atheism |ˈāθēˌizəm|
noun
the theory or belief that God does not exist.

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Christian, Judaic, Mormon, and Muslim influence weighs heavy upon this definition of atheism

[fr0d0]

So if there WAS some proof of gods existance you'd discount it, because it can't be proved by science yeah.

Bet it wouldn't play out like that eh Frodo

Scientific proof is a logical impossibility; like a 5 sided square. I have no need to discount it or not.

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pagan |ˈpāgən|
noun
a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
• dated derogatory a non-Christian.
• an adherent of neopaganism.

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I'm sorry fr0d0... all it meant when the term was coined was 'non-christian'. Now it means the above. TBF made no mistake when stating that all it meant was 'non-Christians'.

TBF claimed that 'pagan' meant no belief in God, which is still wrong under your definition.

[theVOID]

So if there WAS some proof of gods existance you'd discount it, because it can't be proved by science yeah.

Bet it wouldn't play out like that eh Frodo

Scientific proof is a logical impossibility; like a 5 sided square. I have no need to discount it or not.

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pagan |ˈpāgən|
noun
a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
• dated derogatory a non-Christian.
• an adherent of neopaganism.

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I'm sorry fr0d0... all it meant when the term was coined was 'non-christian'. Now it means the above. TBF made no mistake when stating that all it meant was 'non-Christians'.

TBF claimed that 'pagan' meant no belief in God, which is still wrong under your definition.

Well actually - no. We could measure a positive statistical correlation showing that people who pray receive benefits from their action or the subversion of the natural order when a miracle is performed. If an amputee grew back a limb i would be straight on the God wagon.

[fr0d0]

So do you have any of this so called 'proof' then VOID? QED

[theVOID]

So do you have any of this so called 'proof' then VOID? QED

No, the studies i have seen had faith equal with placebo, unless you know of others?

But mainly i was saying that sort of statistical evidence would be compelling, it would have to be substantial but it would mean something was at work.

So no, i don't think it would be impossible to prove certain Biblical claims, but you need evidence first to verify it and a testable, repeatable experiment that is open for anyone to scrutinize.

Too bad it's all bullshit huh?

[theblindferrengi]

TBF claimed that 'pagan' meant no belief in God, which is still wrong under your definition.

So I suppose if the christian god was somehow proven, that would make us all athiests pagans? Not that we aren't already, as a pagan is just someone who is a non-christian, but still...

No, I use the term only to describe a non-christian, as is clearly stated. A non-christian does not believe in the chriatian version of god. Therefore somebody who does not believe in the christian version of god is a pagan.

[fr0d0]

So do you have any of this so called 'proof' then VOID? QED

No, the studies i have seen had faith equal with placebo, unless you know of others?

But mainly i was saying that sort of statistical evidence would be compelling, it would have to be substantial but it would mean something was at work.

So no, i don't think it would be impossible to prove certain Biblical claims, but you need evidence first to verify it and a testable, repeatable experiment that is open for anyone to scrutinize.

Too bad it's all bullshit huh?

It's more than 'debatable' VOID, it's logically impossible. You think there wouldn't be one shred of scientific evidence? Think about it, should anything emerge: what would satisfy you of it's authenticity? If I gambled I'd put money on it. Big money, coz I know very well it's a cert.. You can't have it both ways... you can't ridicule Christians over the lack of evidence and then claim that there could be evidence.

TBF claimed that 'pagan' meant no belief in God, which is still wrong under your definition.

So I suppose if the christian god was somehow proven, that would make us all athiests pagans? Not that we aren't already, as a pagan is just someone who is a non-christian, but still...

No, I use the term only to describe a non-christian, as is clearly stated. A non-christian does not believe in the chriatian version of god. Therefore somebody who does not believe in the christian version of god is a pagan.

What you're saying there TBF is that an atheist is the same as a pagan who is the same as a non Christian - which of courses is false. An atheist is not a pagan, because paganism can clearly mean the belief in a deity.

[Violet]

Depends. A pagan under this definition does not believe in the Christian god. It does not in any way suggest that the pagan does not believe in Zeus.

An Atheist does not believe in god(S)... a pagan is just someone who doesn't believe in the Christian 'God'

That's all he's saying Is an atheist a pagan? They would have to be. Is a pagan necessarily an atheist? Not at all

[Amphora]

Depends. A pagan under this definition does not believe in the Christian god. It does not in any way suggest that the pagan does not believe in Zeus.

An Atheist does not believe in god(S)... a pagan is just someone who doesn't believe in the Christian 'God'

That's all he's saying Is an atheist a pagan? They would have to be. Is a pagan necessarily an atheist? Not at all

Exactly so saerules!

I found this on a website about paganism/wicca:

Than from 0 ACE-650ACE, the old testament was being written in the Middle East. After the death of Christ, the people from the Middle East spread out across the land, spreading the word of Christianity, and eventually came to Rome, and this is when the mass conversion began. They started the conversions first with the rulers, the kings and the Queens first by using money and bribery. this way, the country dwellers would have to convert, as they depended upon the the rulers for their survival. Pagan temples were destroyed, and Christian churches were built upon the pagan holy grounds. The pagans however, forced to build churches over their pagan temples, incorporated many of their symbols into the building of these churches, which you can still see today.

http://community-2.webtv.net/tala--/THEHISTORYOFWICCA/

And here I thought Christians are peacefull loving people. No wonder why the inquistion lasted so long!

[fr0d0]

You're limiting the term pagan there Sae where that isn't the absolute definition. Is an atheist pagan: only where paganism is defined as without god(s). It doesn't really make sense.

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@ Amp: Fisrt.. note the sig. Second, yes there were many atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, especially during that period. If paganism pre-dated Christianity as you've highlighted then Saerules' statement that 'paganism means non christian' has to be false.