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RE: Where is god now?
September 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm
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(September 4, 2013 at 12:51 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Non-sequitur , First, humans could not see god because god would fry them with his brilliance, unless he was sweaty and naked like Abraham who could then homo-wrestle with god all night long.
Then, Bang, according to Drich, God did not change. Jesus' mother Mary must have been a bit "manly" like Abraham so she didn't get fried, if you know what I mean..
Book Chapter Verse??? For your "Homo wrestling" verse. Also for you "Mary, if you know what I mean" comment as well.
(September 4, 2013 at 12:59 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So we are pure now are we? Not all of us no.
Quote: Explain to us what the qualities of this purity are.
As in judged to be without fault or assigned death for sinning.
Quote:What were we contaminated with before that we are no longer contaminated with?
Again some of 'us' are still contaminated with sin. Those who have accepted the atonement Christ offers, are to be considered 'pure.'
Quote:Secondly, a return is to go from one place to another, which is a change.
All changes are to something different. Quit dancing around it and spit it out, plainly.
are you Intensionally being obstinate, or are you just plain slow? I have already stated that the unchanging nature of God refers to His key personality traits and His expressed will. Not how He interacts with people. In his Interactions as outlined with the parable of the talents. God gives x, and if you are faithful to what you have been given God gives you x times 10. Which means God's Interaction increases or 'CHANGES.' Which to any non-first year of English speaking person understands that this 'change' does not denote a character change or a change in the laws of God.
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 7:22 am
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(September 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 4, 2013 at 12:51 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Non-sequitur , First, humans could not see god because god would fry them with his brilliance, unless he was sweaty and naked like Abraham who could then homo-wrestle with god all night long.
Then, Bang, according to Drich, God did not change. Jesus' mother Mary must have been a bit "manly" like Abraham so she didn't get fried, if you know what I mean..
Book Chapter Verse??? For your "Homo wrestling" verse. Also for you "Mary, if you know what I mean" comment as well. If you are remotely familiar with the bible, you know what verses I am referring to. You're just posturing.
(September 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 4, 2013 at 12:59 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So we are pure now are we? Not all of us no. Really? so jesus's sacrifice was only for the believers at that time? If we are made "pure" by our beliefs and righteousness how did that change from before in moses' time?
(September 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Quote: Explain to us what the qualities of this purity are.
As in judged to be without fault or assigned death for sinning. Didn't I hear somewhere the phrase "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?" SO no one is pure?
(September 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Quote:What were we contaminated with before that we are no longer contaminated with?
Again some of 'us' are still contaminated with sin. Those who have accepted the atonement Christ offers, are to be considered 'pure.' So after believing in jebus, you can't sin anymore because you are pure. If you are pure from sin then you would have no spark upon which to build a sinful action. So christians don't sin. Hmm doesn't follow to well in reality does it?
(September 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Quote:Secondly, a return is to go from one place to another, which is a change.
All changes are to something different. Quit dancing around it and spit it out, plainly.
are you Intensionally being obstinate, or are you just plain slow? I have already stated that the unchanging nature of God refers to His key personality traits and His expressed will. Not how He interacts with people. In his Interactions as outlined with the parable of the talents. God gives x, and if you are faithful to what you have been given God gives you x times 10. Which means God's Interaction increases or 'CHANGES.' Which to any non-first year of English speaking person understands that this 'change' does not denote a character change or a change in the laws of God. Are you Intensionally being obstinate? A change in "how He interacts with people" is a change. Period. Whether you like it or not.
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 10:23 am
(September 5, 2013 at 7:22 am)Brakeman Wrote: If you are remotely familiar with the bible, you know what verses I am referring to. You're just posturing. Actually no where in the bible does it say abraham wrestled let alone "Homo-wrestled" with God.
(September 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Not all of us no. Brakeman Wrote:Really? so jesus's sacrifice was only for the believers at that time? Where did i say that? I said not all of us are made pure. Meaning Those who do not except the attoning sacrifice Christ made, as not made pure. I did not put a time line on anything.
Quote:If we are made "pure" by our beliefs and righteousness how did that change from before in moses' time?
I didn't. Are you asking why weren't the Jew save the same way Christians are? Men like Moses are.
Quote:So after believing in jebus, you can't sin anymore because you are pure.
Not what i said.
I said my righteousness is not tied to whether or not I sin anymore.
My righteousness/purity is tied to the purity of Christ because I simply accepted his invitation to attone for my sin. Meaning He took my sin debt upon Him, and in exchange gave me His righteousness and Purity so that i may be able to stand before the Father and have the Holy Spirit indewell me without being consumed.
Quote:If you are pure from sin then you would have no spark upon which to build a sinful action. So christians don't sin. Hmm doesn't follow to well in reality does it?
Are you so intelectually dishonest that you truly do not see my arguement as written? Do you only see your twisted strawman?
Quote:Are you Intensionally being obstinate? A change in "how He interacts with people" is a change. Period. Whether you like it or not.
either you did not read what I wrote or you simply do not understand the meaning of the word change and how it relates to God's character or Law.
If you wish to argue this point then please focous your attention on how God's Law or God's Character has changed in provideing us access to the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 10:38 am
I cannot understand how a Christian can argue that God's law has not changed. Do you keep Kosher? Leviticus and Deuteronomy are chock full of dietary rules and regulations which presumably come from God as the law (that's how Jews understand things anyway). Apparently this is not required of Christians????
Worth considering that Jesus kept Kosher (being Jewish an'all). Aren't Christians supposed to do as he did?
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 10:43 am
(September 5, 2013 at 10:38 am)max-greece Wrote: I cannot understand how a Christian can argue that God's law has not changed. Do you keep Kosher? Leviticus and Deuteronomy are chock full of dietary rules and regulations which presumably come from God as the law (that's how Jews understand things anyway). Apparently this is not required of Christians????
Worth considering that Jesus kept Kosher (being Jewish an'all). Aren't Christians supposed to do as he did? God did not Change, His law did not Change, the way we worshiped did.
Is God worship? Is God found in worship? No. Worship is the method we use to pay omage to God. Just because we page omage to God in a different way does not mean God Changed.
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 10:45 am
What has worship got to do with dietary laws? Ones that Jesus himself followed?
Now I am genuinely confused by your answer.
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 10:47 am
(September 5, 2013 at 10:38 am)max-greece Wrote: I cannot understand how a Christian can argue that God's law has not changed. Do you keep Kosher? Leviticus and Deuteronomy are chock full of dietary rules and regulations which presumably come from God as the law (that's how Jews understand things anyway). Apparently this is not required of Christians????
Worth considering that Jesus kept Kosher (being Jewish an'all). Aren't Christians supposed to do as he did?
Nope. They do what they damn well please. Apparently, his suicide on a stick absolves them from old testament prohibitions. Unless, of course, they just like a few. Gay bashing, for instance.
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 11:23 am
(September 5, 2013 at 10:45 am)max-greece Wrote: What has worship got to do with dietary laws? Ones that Jesus himself followed?
Now I am genuinely confused by your answer.
Why did God require them to only eat what was considered "Clean food," or wash themselves a certain way or to obstain from contact with unclean things?
They were to keep 'clean' or rather "Set apart" (Which BTW is the defination for the word Holy) inorder to be seen as acceptiable before God. Which legitimizes all of their worship , and 'other' activities under the title of 'God's People.'
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 11:44 am
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So it was the law.
Then Jesus came.
Then it was no longer the law.
Correct?
So................. God's law changed.
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RE: Where is god now?
September 5, 2013 at 11:47 am
Quote:I cannot understand how a Christian can argue that God's law has not changed.
It's called cherry-picking and Drippy is a master at it. Of course it does him little good as we all instantly call him on it.
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