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Genocide in the Old Testament
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 (September 26, 2013 at 8:08 am)Lion IRC Wrote:(September 26, 2013 at 4:03 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: Weren't you the numbnuts playing 'look what theists did' earlier? Its got nothing to do with atheists inventing useful stuff and everything to do with Science doing it. Everything useful comes from science. Religion - nothing springs to mind. That religious people make discoveries - IN SCIENCE - has never been debated. Quit with the strawman stuff - you are just coming across as dumb now. 
The point, which has been well made, is that people we would recognise as scientists who also happen to be theists made their discoveries despite their theism if anything. Sir Isaac Newton was undoubtedly one of the finest minds in history and he was a xtian. Yet his contributions to human knowledge derive as much from his religious beliefs as from his alchemical ones. To imply or even state outright, as preachers often do, that a genius like Newton believed in "God" therefore it must be real, else how dare you think you're smarter than Newton, is laughably egregious. We are fully justified in assessing his work and that of other scientists against whatever religious convictions they may hold and judge which of them has the greater relevance to reality. By their fruits shall ye know them and all that.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (September 26, 2013 at 8:08 am)Lion IRC Wrote: . Your whole...atheists invent useful stuff, is a total fallacy isn't it? You're the one who started this, so you have no right to fling your hands like a distressed bitch when smarter people turn it around on you. 
If Lion hates science so much, there's a farming community in Pennsylvania I know he'd like. In fact, I insist. Go there and feel at home.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
- Buddha "Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it." - Dennis McKinsey  Quote:Sir Isaac Newton was undoubtedly one of the finest minds in history and he was a xtian. He didn't have a lot of choice back then. Can't hold it against him.
Oh absolutely. For the record, as well as those of you playing along at home, I was just paraphrasing the usual preacher line.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(September 26, 2013 at 12:35 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: If Lion hates science so much, there's a farming community in Pennsylvania I know he'd like. In fact, I insist. Go there and feel at home. But farmers use tools and clothes and things. That's all made of science.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
There's probably a tribe in New Guinea with a stone age technology that he'd appreciate.
There's that uncontacted tribe down in the Amazon jungle he could go live with.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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