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Something I want you to imagine
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 (September 21, 2013 at 8:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: The real question is this: which one is worthy of your worship? Nothing/no one is ever worthy of worship. Admiration maybe, worship never. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. 
Lemonvariable72
Copenhagen School  Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. RE: Something I want you to imagine
September 23, 2013 at 2:42 pm
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2013 at 2:45 pm by Lemonvariable72.)
(September 23, 2013 at 11:17 am)Drich Wrote:Really? well let me explain, according to the trinity jesus is god and god is jesus, that means that the god that made adam andm eve was also part of the god that died on the cross. And he is fully responsilbe for the fall for the following reasons(September 23, 2013 at 9:18 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: And who put the sin there in the first place?adam/Eve 1. He created adam and eve without the knowledge of good and evil, thus they had no concept that obeying was good or that eating off the tree was evil. 2. He put the tree where it was easily accessible when he has no stated reason to. 3. He allowed satan into the garden. 4. The fact that he knew what would happen ahead of time and took no action whatsoever to try to stop it. Quote:In reality since no one can provide any verifiable evidence for god( Cue appeal to personal revelation) there is no reason to think that sin is nothing more then a crime made up to manipulate you, because I as a bible can declare any thing I want a sin. Yes, complete freedom from a law written by men at best. Chrisitanity has very sophisticated mechanisms to manipulate you. Let me give you a simple overview of a common one, originil sin. Wither adam and eve ever existed or not is beside the point in terms of effect. the concept is designed to convince that you are unworthy to question god or his will. How many horrors have been done because of "god's will?" (September 23, 2013 at 9:21 am)pocaracas Wrote: Does sin still exist? Drich Wrote:Sin is only an issue for the Unredeemed.Can you prove that we need redeeming in the first place?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.  Quote:Chrisitanity has very sophisticated mechanisms to manipulate you. Let me give you a simple overview of a common one, originil sin. Wither adam and eve ever existed or not is beside the point in terms of effect. the concept is designed to convince that you are unworthy to question god or his will.Very sophisticated mechanisms of manipulation written by bronze-age goatherders. Interesting.
Lemonvariable72
Copenhagen School Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (September 23, 2013 at 2:55 pm)John V Wrote:Quote:Chrisitanity has very sophisticated mechanisms to manipulate you. Let me give you a simple overview of a common one, originil sin. Wither adam and eve ever existed or not is beside the point in terms of effect. the concept is designed to convince that you are unworthy to question god or his will.Very sophisticated mechanisms of manipulation written by bronze-age goatherders. Interesting. We often have a tendency to write off ancient peoples as dumb because they were ignorant of many basic facts, however that is not true, and few people are ever more manipulative then those in the court of a king such as josiah, and many mechanisms were added after beginning of christianity.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. (September 23, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: We often have a tendency to write off ancient peoples as dumb because they were ignorant of many basic facts, however that is not true, and few people are ever more manipulative then those in the court of a king such as josiah, and many mechanisms were added after beginning of christianity.Well that's refreshing. I've argued myself that, even if you don't believe, the authors should be given props for being geniuses in psychology.   (September 23, 2013 at 3:28 pm)John V Wrote: Well that's refreshing. I've argued myself that, even if you don't believe, the authors should be given props for being geniuses in psychology. Well, since they had first hand knowledge of how to control slaves it wasn't so difficult as you may think. It came with the territory.
Everything I needed to know about life I learned on Dagobah.
(September 23, 2013 at 11:58 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Saying that God should be worshipped because he is worthy of such (presumably because of his perfection) breaks the is-ought gap.Hume's critique does not really apply. As Aristotle pointed out all people desire the highest good. Questions of value relate to the practical matter of how to recognize that good and to achieve it. (September 24, 2013 at 7:51 am)ChadWooters Wrote:(September 23, 2013 at 11:58 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Saying that God should be worshipped because he is worthy of such (presumably because of his perfection) breaks the is-ought gap.Hume's critique does not really apply. As Aristotle pointed out all people desire the highest good. Questions of value relate to the practical matter of how to recognize that good and to achieve it. I do not desire any god. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  (September 24, 2013 at 7:51 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Hume's critique does not really apply. As Aristotle pointed out all people desire the highest good. Questions of value relate to the practical matter of how to recognize that good and to achieve it. Pointing out that a great philosopher said something is the case and is thus true doesn't interest me. Further, I don't know what the 'highest good' is or could even be, so how am I striving for it? Lastly, I don't see how worshipping God gets one to the highest good. Hume's criticism seems applicable to me because to say that God is worthy of worship would seem to need a reason for such to be the case, something about God. But if it is because of something about how God is, then you're trying to derive a value from a fact. Derivation cannot be the process here. I already have to have the value in place for the fact to even matter to me. |
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