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Something I want you to imagine
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 (September 29, 2013 at 3:13 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:(September 29, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Rationalman Wrote: God apparently created everything. So like it or not, he created evil too How about if nothing created these free willed beings? 
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Copenhagen School  Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (September 29, 2013 at 3:13 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:(September 29, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Rationalman Wrote: God apparently created everything. So like it or not, he created evil too God doesn't since taking you as a slave and beating you is fine with him
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.  RE: Something I want you to imagine
September 29, 2013 at 4:17 pm
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(September 29, 2013 at 3:13 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:(September 29, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Rationalman Wrote: God apparently created everything. So like it or not, he created evil too Freedom to either submit for eternity to a being who created only one 'correct' choice else be 'wrong' by choosing not to submit? That's the illusion of freedom, and you've been duped.  (September 29, 2013 at 3:13 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Most consider freedom great. What good is freedom, if you're punished for using it?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  (September 29, 2013 at 5:55 pm)Tonus Wrote:(September 29, 2013 at 3:13 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Most consider freedom great. True freedom is the ability to separate yourself from God. For Those who spend a life time separating themselves from God, why would they see eternal separation a punishment?  (September 29, 2013 at 11:55 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 29, 2013 at 5:55 pm)Tonus Wrote: What good is freedom, if you're punished for using it? Eternal separation at about 350 degrees centigrade sounds pretty punishing to me particularly with devils doing all sorts of nasty things to your naughty bits.  (September 30, 2013 at 3:46 am)max-greece Wrote:(September 29, 2013 at 11:55 pm)Drich Wrote: True freedom is the ability to separate yourself from God. For Those who spend a life time separating themselves from God, why would they see eternal separation a punishment? Sounds like spring break in Cancun. (September 30, 2013 at 3:46 am)max-greece Wrote:(September 29, 2013 at 11:55 pm)Drich Wrote: True freedom is the ability to separate yourself from God. For Those who spend a life time separating themselves from God, why would they see eternal separation a punishment? Hell was originally designed for the 'devils.' Meaning they do not rule Hell but are in exile like everyone else. It would be much of an exile if they wanted to be there or could thrive there. (September 29, 2013 at 11:55 pm)Drich Wrote: True freedom is the ability to separate yourself from God. For Those who spend a life time separating themselves from God, why would they see eternal separation a punishment? I agree. I was just curious how SavedByGraceThruFaith would consider the question, since I presume that for her, being separated from god would be extremely undesirable. Whereas for me, it really is freedom.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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