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The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
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The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
We are constantly subjected by media and government that the growing welfare state helps the poor, and decreases income disparity. Trillions and trillions of dollars have been put been involuntarily into the welfare state socialist style programs of the government. The welfare state has grown rapidly throughout recent history in USA. Let's see how well that has worked;

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As you can see, the wealth gap has increased dramatically. Keep in mind, the big social programs started in the 70s. Despite the trillions of dollars put into these programs that are supposedly done to achieve the exact opposite of what this graph shows.


Let's look at anothe example, the UK shows a similar pattern, increase government welfare, has correlated with increased income disparity:

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This should not be surprising, but the more violent and coercive a society becomes, a vacuum of power and wealth is created, naturally. People wanting to use the violence of the state to solve complex social problems are actually doing the opposite of helping solve the problems they claim to want to end. Like the 'war on drugs' has cost billions and billions of dollars, yet recreational drug use has not changed, but increased slightly. You can come up with any scenario, and you will find governments turn anything they touch into shit. Making whatever problem they claim to want to solve, much, much worse.

Take for example the largest governments with virtually no freedom to trade, like Venezuala and North Korea. The leaders live a life of wealth, Hugo Chavez is estimated to be a billionaire while the regular citizens have to stand in line for toilet roll. Kim Jong Un, also estimated to be a billionaire, a long with other high up officials, while other people starve to death.

I feel poor people are constantly entrapped by seductive socialist rhetoric, government welfare is literally a trap for the poor, and all these rich people championing government interference are incredibly sadistic or incredibly ignorant to the facts.

This is all to predictable, using violence to achieve something will achieve the opposite. We all understand this at a local level, like if you want a woman to have sex with you, the very worst thing you can do is to rape her. Or if you want someone to trade with you, the very worst thing you can do is to steal from him. Why do we not get this on an a larger economic level?
The only freedom, is freedom from illusion.
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#2
RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
And your solution is...lemme guess...anarchy?

Am I right?
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#3
RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
For the millionth time... Correlation does not imply causation!
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RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
(September 21, 2013 at 4:18 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: And your solution is...lemme guess...anarchy?

Am I right?

My solution is to not use violence to solve social problems.
The only freedom, is freedom from illusion.
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RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
(September 21, 2013 at 4:29 pm)Koolay Wrote:
(September 21, 2013 at 4:18 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: And your solution is...lemme guess...anarchy?

Am I right?

My solution is to not use violence to solve social problems.

Then my guess was waaaay off.
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RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
(September 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: For the millionth time... Correlation does not imply causation!

Well, yeah, but that does not really cut the mustard when trillions of dollars have been put into programs which sole purpose was to do the exact opposite of what has happened.

What if I came up with a new advertising campaign to increase sales for a company, and after vast amounts of money, and decades of time put into the campaign, sales not only did not increase, but sales decreased. Would I then be in my right to say "Correlation does not equal causation"?

(September 21, 2013 at 4:33 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote:
(September 21, 2013 at 4:29 pm)Koolay Wrote: My solution is to not use violence to solve social problems.

Then my guess was waaaay off.

You are aware anarchy is defined as rules with no rulers?
The only freedom, is freedom from illusion.
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RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
Are you sure it was welfare programs? Are you sure it wasn't Buckley v. Valeo?
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RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
Name a system where people have economic freedom where those with money and power don't benefit disproportionately.

I doubt you can.
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RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
(September 21, 2013 at 4:36 pm)Koolay Wrote:
(September 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: For the millionth time... Correlation does not imply causation!

Well, yeah, but that does not really cut the mustard when trillions of dollars have been put into programs which sole purpose was to do the exact opposite of what has happened.

What if I came up with a new advertising campaign to increase sales for a company, and after vast amounts of money, and decades of time put into the campaign, sales not only did not increase, but sales decreased. Would I then be in my right to say "Correlation does not equal causation"?

You might be. Perhaps your product quality is known to be shoddy. Perhaps it doesn't meet a market need. Perhaps you targeted the wrong demographic. Perhaps you're just incompetent.

Perhaps you failed to control for all of the relevant variables.
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RE: The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism
(September 21, 2013 at 4:36 pm)Koolay Wrote:
(September 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: For the millionth time... Correlation does not imply causation!

Well, yeah, but that does not really cut the mustard when trillions of dollars have been put into programs which sole purpose was to do the exact opposite of what has happened.

What if I came up with a new advertising campaign to increase sales for a company, and after vast amounts of money, and decades of time put into the campaign, sales not only did not increase, but sales decreased. Would I then be in my right to say "Correlation does not equal causation"?

welfare means more people get access to a better life, better healthcare.
This creates the need for more professionals in this area and some money does go into these people's pockets... they don't work for free!
To me, it looks like a win-win.. ok, maybe some win more $$$ in the process, but... can you put a price on health?
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