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A history text I was thinking attempting
September 26, 2013 at 2:30 am
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2013 at 2:41 am by Lemonvariable72.)
I was thinking of attempting a history text on atheist/agnostics, murdered for disblief. I want to have a few thoughts from forums members on this idea.
- Is there any good texts on a similar subject.
- What some good examples of individuals
- What criteria for who gets accepted and rejected.
- Basically do you think it is a good idea or no?
Bear in mind I intend this to be a more popular type history book rather then academic, starting in the most ancient times and working to now. I still want accuracy as much as possible bear in mind.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: A history text I was think ing attempting
September 26, 2013 at 2:36 am
Martyred...for 'the cause' of atheism? Whut?
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RE: A history text I was thinking attempting
September 26, 2013 at 2:39 am
(September 26, 2013 at 2:36 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: Martyred...for 'the cause' of atheism? Whut?
I just fixed it, It's way too late for me now lol. anyway read it agian and it should make more sense.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: A history text I was thinking attempting
September 26, 2013 at 3:10 am
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2013 at 3:14 am by pineapplebunnybounce.)
In Guns, Germs and Steel and in the early pages the kidnap of Atahualpa by Pizarro would be a case of many killed for their disbelief. Pizarro killed many of Atahualpa's men when Atahualpa (illiterate) threw Pizarro's bible on the ground. Pizarro was trying to make Incas Christians and serve Spain. They massacred many Incas that day.
What really struck me about that story was Pizarro's speech to Atahualpa before he handed him the bible. Basically something like, repent from your ways and worship Jesus the one true god blah blah blah. Christians' conversion techniques haven't changed for so damn long!
Edit: oh they weren't atheists, they thought Atahualpa was a god.
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RE: A history text I was thinking attempting
September 26, 2013 at 3:55 am
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(September 26, 2013 at 2:30 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I was thinking of attempting a history text on atheist/agnostics, murdered for disblief. I want to have a few thoughts from forums members on this idea.
- Is there any good texts on a similar subject.
- What some good examples of individuals
- What criteria for who gets accepted and rejected.
- Basically do you think it is a good idea or no?
Bear in mind I intend this to be a more popular type history book rather then academic, starting in the most ancient times and working to now. I still want accuracy as much as possible bear in mind.
I'm not so sure about murder but Atheists were definately around in Elizabethan England and were among those fined for not attending church on Sundays. There are a number of academic books on the topic of atheism in Elizabethan England. Generally in history atheists were ignored, agnostics tended to suffer more.
Anyway... might be better to take a look at general social attitudes towards atheism rather than emulate the histrionics we would normally expect from the god-botherers. You can always slip a few murders in for flavour.
MM
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RE: A history text I was thinking attempting
September 26, 2013 at 10:34 am
Quote:Edit: oh they weren't atheists, they thought Atahualpa was a god.
And Pizarro thought "jesus" was a god. They were all pretty dumb.
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RE: A history text I was thinking attempting
September 26, 2013 at 12:35 pm
It sounds like an excellent idea for a book. However, I'd spend some time determining that it's not already been written, and realize that just because a book is good doesn't mean it's likely to be published. I'll let any actual authors on the forum speak to that latter question.
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RE: A history text I was thinking attempting
September 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm
(September 26, 2013 at 3:10 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: What really struck me about that story was Pizarro's speech to Atahualpa before he handed him the bible. Basically something like, repent from your ways and worship Jesus the one true god blah blah blah. Christians' conversion techniques haven't changed for so damn long!
Demand that they convert, then torture and murder the dissenters? That sounds about right.
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RE: A history text I was thinking attempting
September 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm
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Well, speaking as an author, I find myself hoping the idea has enough legs to work as a book. The reason Richard Dawkins' or Christopher Hitchens' books are so accessible is they work more as a collection of short related subjects published under a single banner. Please don't let me put you off, particularly since I've yet to be published myself; if you can find the way to make it work and are passionate enough about the subject, really go for it. Write the book you've always wanted to read.
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