The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)

[Searching4truth]

That's an insult to monkeys

[ThomM]

SPG, remember [http://atheistforums.org/thread-21129-po...#pid515511]that talk we had[/url] about first establishing that your one and only source book can be taken seriously before any claims or extrapolations made from it can possibly make the slightest sense?

Until you can do that, why should we take anything you pull from the book as any kind of authority? How can you claim it proves anything if you haven't proved it to bear any resemblance to reality?

The quote from the Holy Bible was just a lead in to the ensuing discussion.

Proof 1 is only to establish that there must be a Creator, God.

After establishing that God exists, the Holy Bible will be established as His revelation. That part is still to come.

On Dawkins' scale, what number are you?

Sorry - but the problem is that even if we ASSUME the statements from the bible are correct - you are assuming that a creator is a god.

And that is simply not true

However - the existence of ANYTHING -= would only provide a need to THAT thing to be created - not anymore. It fails to support the rest of the FAIRY TALES of religion about almighty gods and the rest of the supernatural nonsense

All a creator would need to be is a being with the power to "create" = and nothing more. IT also fails to prove that a creator needs to still exist - it is just as possible that the creator died in the process of creation - or it could also support the Deist concept of a god that ONLY creates and then does no more.

And as far as the bible being the revelation of a creator - since YOU have not established that a creator existed AFTER the creation - you would need to do so BEFORE you can claim that the bible is revelation of a creator.

Of course - you would ALSO need to provide PROOF of the further supernatural powers you attribute to your god -= ALL OF THEM - ONE BY ONE.

Sorry - your claim is rejected without far more proof

[Doubting Thomas]

It's your grandmother.

You sure about that?

It's not mine or you'd just be showing a pile of bones.

[Jackie]

Not even a trillion years would have helped form the first living creature by chance.

Remember that because you were only one sperm out of millions. So are you saying when you were a sperm your sky daddy was swimming with you in the vagina guiding you to the egg in order to beat all the other millions of sperm that died and did not become you? Naw, no luck there. God was in the vagina guiding you, well, half of you.

Atoms are not complex but do form complex things. An atom of hydrogen is not complex as compared to two atoms of hydrogen. That in turn is not as complex as two hydrogen atoms connected to a single atom of Oxygen, which makes a molecule of water. Which is less complex than a puddle of water made up of countless molecules of water, which is less complex than an entire ocean.

Sorry, life DOES NOT nor has never needed a god to occur anymore than a complex hurricane needs the ocean god Posiden to cause it.

Again, if complexity proves your god, or any god, then this god must love cockroaches and bacteria much more than humans because both outnumber humans in spades.

[Esquilax]

That's an insult to monkeys

It's an insult to shit.

[max-greece]

[Jackalope]

Not to mention - what the hell did the herbivores eat? Remember, according to whats-his-nuts, everything was buried under deep layers of sediment.

Including plants.

No plants = herbivores starve.

No herbivores = omnivores and carnivores starve.

That is, unless you invoke magic - and if you're willing to do that, why even bother trying to reconcile your beliefs with reality?

[Esquilax]

And what happens to the oxygen content when the level of water rises that high, without plants around to replenish it?

Diseases: how were these animals carried, and how did the ark not turn into one massive floating plague pit?

Parasites? Which unlucky animal got infected with those?

The list of questions can go on forever.

[max-greece]

And what happens to the oxygen content when the level of water rises that high, without plants around to replenish it?

Diseases: how were these animals carried, and how did the ark not turn into one massive floating plague pit?

Parasites? Which unlucky animal got infected with those?

The list of questions can go on forever.

How did Noah keep the Polar bears cool?
How did the walrus get to the Arc - they're not big on walking.
Why did non of the monkeys with prehensile tails stop off in Africa on their way back to South America?
How did Noah dispose of Gorilla shit?
Where did Noah get the bamboo to feed the Pandas?
Where did Noah get sufficent wood to build the ark in the first place?
Didn't saving the wood worm put his entire project at risk?
Who guided Proteus anguinus - one of the species of blind cave salamders back to their caves in the Western Balkan peninsula?
....

My God Esquilax - you're right - we've proved infinity!
There are an infinite number of questions that need to be answered for the story of the flood to be acceptable.
Yea for us.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

There was no such thing. :wink-shades:

The facts point to a worldwide flood.

That is how massive world wide rock layers containing fossils are formed.

Do you get tired trolling forums, Grace?

I'm just asking, tis all, because you seem to be having fun. Just wondered where else you've been posting?