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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:38 pm
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:38 pm
(October 4, 2013 at 12:36 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 4, 2013 at 12:33 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: What is your definition of kind?
How about a dog growing wings and becoming a flying creature.
Were you skullfucked by Ray Comfort's banana so hard that it touched your brain?
I challenge you to find a single, mainstream scientific source that says that evolution is one organism changing instantaneously into another, you disingenuous load of fuckslaw.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:41 pm
I just wanted to add a little point:
99% of the life that ever lived on this planet is extinct. Some creatures, such as crocodiles and sharks, have lived on this Earth since the time of the dinosaurs. Just because a life form hasn't evolved as greatly as the others doesn't mean that they aren't able to survive on the Earth.
Homo sapiens and Neanderthals lived on the Earth together for tens of thousands of years. Eventually, though, through reasons unknown (either through war or mixed breeding with sapiens) the Neanderthal went extinct.
Just because a creature is less evolved, it doesn't mean it can't exist. That's why amoebas still exist, as well as chimps.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:42 pm
(October 4, 2013 at 12:36 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: How about a dog growing wings and becoming a flying creature.
That would disprove evolution.
Evolution happens through small changes within the genes over an extensive amount of time.
Through those changes an animal can adapt towards the circumstances under which it lives. Which does not mean that the animal becomes a completly different animal. Best example is something called "Ring species":
http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~irwin/GreenishWarblers.html
Now if you refuse to understand this, you are certainly only here to annoy people and are definatly not willing to accept arguments delivered by your opposition. As a result of that, I will stalk each and every one of your moves on this forum in an attempt to find something which can get you banned.
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Re: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:42 pm
You're admitting a kind doesn't exist?
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:43 pm
(October 4, 2013 at 12:36 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: How about a dog growing wings and becoming a flying creature.
But that's not evolution, that would be sorcery. Like the dead being brought back to life. That sort of thing.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:43 pm
(October 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 4, 2013 at 12:22 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Just like I brought up nylon-eating bacteria which I know will be ignored.
What about MRSA and other antibiotic-resistant bacteria? Now TGAC points out how some insects are becoming resistant to insecticides.
If evolution is a false theory just made up by God-denying scientists, how do you explain this very real phenomena? Evolution explains it, does your god?
Waiting for an answer.... (which likely will never come)
But the bacteria are still bacteria. So there is no proof there.
The dogs are still dogs.
Cats are still cats.
Sure, the allele distribution in the population may change due to selective breeding or a change in the environment causing certain alleles to be more advantageous, but that is just already existing alleles. You might even have a new allele from a mutation. But the gene itself already existed.
Give all know evidence of one kind changing into another kind.
Without that you have no evidence.
All of life shares the same DNA. The same genes and mechanisms occur in humans, apes, octopi, peas, bacteria, ...
The coding for proteins is the same. The mechanisms for replication are the same.
When we compare DNA across life, we see a tree of relatedness that marks common ancestry.
That evidence alone is overwhelming. And that's not the only evidence.
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(October 4, 2013 at 12:10 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/309/5735/764
I have no need to explain to you the concept of evolution aswell as the concept of mutation, let alone explain to you that a mutation is not just simply a thrid arm growing out of your back as a 8 year old may believe.
I simply have to show current examples of plants and animals gaining resistance to medication and pesticides and then wach you ignore this post since you dont have a viable explaination for current adaptations of species to it`s surroundings.
Just selection of existing alleles or a mutation causing an new allele.
But they are still the same kind.
Provide one example of one kind becoming another kind.
What the actual fuck is a kind?
Google Tiktaalik roseae.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:45 pm
(October 4, 2013 at 12:36 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 4, 2013 at 12:33 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: What is your definition of kind?
How about a dog growing wings and becoming a flying creature.
It's good that evolution doesn't claim this can happen, isn't it?
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:46 pm
(October 4, 2013 at 12:43 pm)Tonus Wrote: (October 4, 2013 at 12:36 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: How about a dog growing wings and becoming a flying creature.
But that's not evolution, that would be sorcery. Like the dead being brought back to life. That sort of thing.
You mean like fucking jesus?
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 4, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Well, we can tell that he's already collected a few brains.
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