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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 6:36 am
(October 5, 2013 at 6:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: The term 'evolutionist' only exists in the same place as 'upward evolution' and 'atheistic origins science' and that is not the mainstream scientific arena. It's the creationist world of conspiracy theories. ICR, AiG, DI and similar extreme fringe organisations are not recognised as anything other than comedy material by actual scientists. Three guesses why.
That is the very claims of origin science. That it happened without God (atheistic). Also it must have been upward, because the first creature was not more complex than man. Nobody in all science claims that. I just call it what it is.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 6:36 am
(October 5, 2013 at 6:17 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Chimps and man do not have a common ancestor. Did anyone actually see that happen? Or is it just a conclusion from assumptions.
Your assumption is not evidence.
Chimps and man do not have a common designer. Did anyone actually see that happen? Or is it just a conclusion from assumptions.
Your assumption is not evidence.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 6:42 am
(October 5, 2013 at 6:36 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: That is the very claims of origin science. That it happened without God (atheistic). Also it must have been upward, because the first creature was not more complex than man. Nobody in all science claims that. I just call it what it is.
No, the very claims of origin science - aka abiogenesis, as distinct from, y'know, Genesis - are that it happened at all. If the evidence points to anything we would recognise as a creative intelligence, god or not, then that's what the conclusions will reflect. So far literally nothing even remotely suggests that whatever that initial spark might have been, if there even needed to be one, had a face.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 6:50 am
(October 5, 2013 at 6:42 am)Stimbo Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 6:36 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: That is the very claims of origin science. That it happened without God (atheistic). Also it must have been upward, because the first creature was not more complex than man. Nobody in all science claims that. I just call it what it is.
No, the very claims of origin science - aka abiogenesis, as distinct from, y'know, Genesis - are that it happened at all. If the evidence points to anything we would recognise as a creative intelligence, god or not, then that's what the conclusions will reflect. So far literally nothing even remotely suggests that whatever that initial spark might have been, if there even needed to be one, had a face.
The vast complexity of the life forms in the universe and the universe, with all its orderly laws, must be explained.
That in itself argues for God.
No explanation without God has explained it.
Therefore God must exist.
Next step is to identify God.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 6:52 am
(October 5, 2013 at 6:50 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The vast complexity of the life forms in the universe and the universe, with all its orderly laws, must be explained.
That in itself argues for God.
No explanation without God has explained it.
Therefore God must exist.
You're wrong. I just proved it.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 6:53 am
(October 5, 2013 at 6:50 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 6:42 am)Stimbo Wrote: No, the very claims of origin science - aka abiogenesis, as distinct from, y'know, Genesis - are that it happened at all. If the evidence points to anything we would recognise as a creative intelligence, god or not, then that's what the conclusions will reflect. So far literally nothing even remotely suggests that whatever that initial spark might have been, if there even needed to be one, had a face.
The vast complexity of the life forms in the universe and the universe, with all its orderly laws, must be explained.
That in itself argues for God.
No explanation without God has explained it.
Therefore God must exist.
Next step is to identify God. https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/image...mQOLvcrIug
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 7:01 am
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Yes, there must be an explanation for the Universe and all it contains. However, nothing that has been investigated by scientists in any of the relevant fields argues for any god and least of all for "God".
People here have been good enough actually to take the time to go through every one of your claims and have offered serious peer-reviewed findings. The only things you've thrown up as evidence for any of your blanket assertions are a titanic Argument from Ignorance, Insane Troll Logic, conspiracy theories and lashings of Special Pleading. Not forgetting, of course, your spectacular Big-Lipped Alligator Moment you pulled out of the book of Romans. And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously? Come on now!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 7:02 am
(October 5, 2013 at 7:01 am)Stimbo Wrote: Yes, there must be an explanation for the Universe and all it contains. However, nothing that has been investigated by scientists in any of the relevant fields argues for any god and least of all for "God".
People here have been good enough actually to take the time to go through every one of your claims and have offered serious peer-reviewed findings. The only things you've thrown up as evidence for any of your blanket assertions are a titanic Argument from Ignorance, Insane Troll Logic and lashings of Special Pleading. Not forgetting, of course, your spectacular Red Herring from your book of Romans. And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously? Come on now!
There has not been anything offered to refute the claims I have made.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 7:04 am
(October 5, 2013 at 7:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: There has not been anything offered to refute the claims I have made.
One page ago: the post from today that I made. The one that you have conveniently ignored.
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RE: Mutations disprove the theory of upward evolution
October 5, 2013 at 7:05 am
(October 5, 2013 at 7:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: There has not been anything offered to refute the claims I have made.
We must not be reading the same thread.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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