Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[daandaan]

Then it's a good thing that what you think we should believe has no bearing on what we actually believe, isn't it?

It is in opposition to theism/Christianity/other religions and it would replace them with something that isn't theism/Christianity/religion if everyone were to adhere to the ideology. So I have the right idea if we're being fair and not beating around the bush about it.

A bit of William Lane Craig on this subject.

Time and Eternity

so r u now claimimg god to be eternal??


Then, who made eternity allowing god to be eternal??

[DLJ]

Then it's a good thing that what you think we should believe has no bearing on what we actually believe, isn't it?

It is in opposition to theism/Christianity/other religions and it would replace them with something that isn't theism/Christianity/religion if everyone were to adhere to the ideology. So I have the right idea if we're being fair and not beating around the bush about it.

Quite right.

The opposition to religion being... not a religion.

I think you guys can only see the opposition to religion as ... another religion.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I reject atheism

You realise how stupid you sound when you say that right? You are basically saying: I reject the rejection of my claims

I don't we agree on what atheism is, to me it's a rival religious belief that would replace theism/Christianity.

I was born an atheist. You've never responded to this statement with anything coherent, rather, equating being born with no belief or concept in any deity to being born unable to be toilet trained (subjective, technically shitting yourself is still being toilet trained, just not to our subjective standard).

So, in effect, you're wrong. Everytime you post, you post from a demonstrably incorrect premise, which means most of what you type based on that premise is...well...probably wrong.

[Zazzy]

If God doesn't exist then there is no such as morality or good and evil we just made it up and everyone's opinion is as valid as anyone else.

Have you been paying attention to ANYTHING anyone says? We DO decide what's good and evil- and that's different from culture to culture.

If God doesn't exist how are we meant to have freewill

We don't really have free will.

? We would be the product of physically explainable processes and we can explain and predict all these processes as they are mechanistically determined.

Yep.

The Holy Spirit tells you or something, I don't know why does matter what parts are literally true?

Because some of us care about what's true, and because the things your Holy Book tells us to do have real consequences in the lives of real people- some of them very negative. So we'd better make sure they're true before we act on them.

[Sword of Christ]

Quite right.

The opposition to religion being... not a religion.

Well it's not an organised religion certainly but it depends how you want to define a religion. Not all religions are based around God you know. Does this seem like a religious text to you?

http://classics.mit.edu/Carus/nature_things.1.i.html

The guy who wrote that would be defined as an atheist by today's standards but he saw it as a religion.

I think you guys can only see the opposition to religion as ... another religion.

If you want to oppose something don't you need something of your own to oppose it with in the first place? For example to oppose Communism you must have a political belief that is not Communism.

[daandaan]

Then, who made eternity allowing god to be eternal??

God is eternity, the Alpha and the Omega. That which wasn't created will have always existed.

god is eternity


so are u praying to eternity ???

then ur worshipping a faLse god , ur yahweh will not be pleased with u and fry ur arse in ur own hell


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Lemonvariable72]

Jesus fucking Christ how many times do you have to tell people atheism is not a religion but a tenet. Sure it is part of some religions like stalinism or Buddhism, but saying "I don't believe in god" does not make you religious, tell me what dogma and rituals vdoes atheism have?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Quite right.

The opposition to religion being... not a religion.

Well it's not an organised religion certainly but it depends how you want to define a religion. Not all religions are based around God you know. Does this seem like a religious text to you?

http://classics.mit.edu/Carus/nature_things.1.i.html

The guy who wrote that would be defined as an atheist by today's standards but he saw it as a religion.

I think you guys can only see the opposition to religion as ... another religion.

If you want to oppose something don't you need something of your own to oppose it with in the first place? For example to oppose Communism you must have a political belief that is not Communism.

No!

Disagreeing with a position does not mean one has to hold the antithesis to the proposition.

To borrow an analogy from quailasoup (on an iPhone so can't post YouTube videos easily):

A court of law sees a jury deciding on the guilt of a defendant. Some people decide she is guilty, whilst others decide she is not guilty. In addition there will be some jurors that have not decided and are unable to form a conclusion based on the guilt of the defendant. They do not agree she is guilty so do not judge her as such.

The assumption that if one disagrees with x you must be y must be challenged.

Note: the above position applied to all gods would show someone to be an agnostic atheist. They lack a belief in the proposition (in this case, god x or that defendant is guilty), but do not rule out the possibility. They simply are unable to form a conclusion at this moment in time.

This perspective changes depending on the proposition. The biblical god for example, or
Most people's interpretation of it, I reject outright owing to its self-refuting nature. For all gods, I cannot say until it is proposed and the available evidence evaluated.

[DLJ]

Quite right.

The opposition to religion being... not a religion.

Well it's not an organised religion certainly but it depends how you want to define a religion. Not all religions are based around God you know. Does this seem like a religious text to you?

http://classics.mit.edu/Carus/nature_things.1.i.html

The guy who wrote that would be defined as an atheist by today's standards but he saw it as a religion.

I see it as a poem.

I think you guys can only see the opposition to religion as ... another religion.

If you want to oppose something don't you need something of your own to oppose it with in the first place? For example to oppose Communism you must have a political belief that is not Communism.

Exactly.

The opposite of Communism is not Communism (it isn't Capitalism)
The opposite of guilty is not guilty (it isn't 'innocent')
The opposite of theism is not theism i.e. atheism (it isn't another religion)

[TheBeardedDude]

Well it's not an organised religion certainly but it depends how you want to define a religion. Not all religions are based around God you know. Does this seem like a religious text to you?

http://classics.mit.edu/Carus/nature_things.1.i.html

The guy who wrote that would be defined as an atheist by today's standards but he saw it as a religion.

I see it as a poem.

If you want to oppose something don't you need something of your own to oppose it with in the first place? For example to oppose Communism you must have a political belief that is not Communism.

Exactly.

The opposite of Communism is not Communism (it isn't Capitalism)
The opposite of guilty is not guilty (it isn't 'innocent')
The opposite of theism is not theism i.e. atheism (it isn't another religion)

What he said. :thumbsup: