Death may not be the end......

[HUMAN BRAIN]

reply to Deidre32 : , thanks for your opinion , but we speak about physical failure , and relations between material and immaterial

[genkaus]

while watching a robot moving and responding to the surrounding ‎events, we may ask …, with continuing development, can a robot , ‎typically match a human someday ??, the answer is ' impossible' . We ‎may manufacture a robot to make a 'decision or action' according to ‎received 'signals' from the surrounding environment , or even to record ‎data from 'previous' events, and use these data to make decisions… ‎but , how can we let it make a decision according to what he 'likes' , or ‎what he ' hates' ..??. in other words, to simulate this vague ‎‎'immaterial' 'sensing' being inside human body , which we call 'atman' ‎‎, that 'feels' ??. So , whatever a developed 'robot' is , it will be no ‎more than a simulation to our nervous system , which translates any ‎effects from the surrounding around us ; sound, scene , touch ,…etc. , ‎into electric signals , which , in turn are transported to us ; 'to our ‎atman' , to feel . Even, the 'brain' ; this material organ , does not ' ‎think ', but it is a complicated 'biologic computer' processor , which ‎includes all types of data registers , memories, and logical ‎gates,....etc. , Human 'atman' uses all these 'tools' to retrieve data, ‎analyze , infer, and conclude ; in other words , to 'think' . Human body ‎includes also systems for digestion , aspiration , blood circulation , ‎motion , …. etc. , just to serve the nervous system , which is the ‎‎(communicating media) between the 'material' world and the ‎‎'immaterial' human 'atman' . In other words , the human 'atman' wears ‎the human body , which is just a (communicating suit) with the surrounding effects . But , with ‎time , this suit is loosing the efficiency of its performance , until , at ‎some date , it exhibits a complete failure, which we call 'death'. When ‎happens , we have to leave this 'material suit' for land to be dissolved ‎into another substances , according to the chemical and biological rules ‎‎, in order to complete what is known as 'the circulation of ‎substances'…., but what about the human 'atman' ?? , this still ' alive ‎sensing ' miracle ??, after it left its 'communicating suit' , which was ‎responsible for sensing ' only' the material world ….. how will be ‎the new sensation in these new conditions ? . ‎
One of the probable answers is that , it may receive signals and ‎effects from a new world(s), which was screened from us by the low ‎definite capabilities of our nervous system , which will no longer exist ‎after death..... ‎
Finally..., is it possible for this 'atman' , after death , to wear a new suit (body) , as happened first time....??

This discussion has already been covered in much more detail and with much better arguments in the philosophy section. Read up on them, you might learn a few things about where you go wrong.

First of all, there is no "vague, immaterial, sensing being" inside the human body. Or, more precisely, that so-called "vague, immaterial, sensing being" is the result of the way your brain functions. It has no existence independent of the brain. Which is why, should we ever replicate those functions in a robot, then that robot would be equivalent to a human being.

[HUMAN BRAIN]

reply to Chas ,
if you mean by (duality), the relation between material and immaterial , then the anatomy and physiology of brain , tell us that ; it is just a electric circuit ..., so who is thinking inside us...?

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Reply to genkaus : the idea of relation between material and immaterial , appeared , after discovering by advanced anatomy and physiology studies of brain that ; it is just an electric circuits transfer surrounding effects to us ..., so who is that thinking being inside us...?

[Kayenneh]

reply to Chas ,
if you mean by (duality), the relation between material and immaterial , then the anatomy and physiology of brain , tell us that ; it is just a electric circuit ..., so who is thinking inside us...

Thoughts are electrical impulses. And whaddaya know, neurons are good at transmitting them, thus the brain is more than capable of processing the signals, i.e. think.

[max-greece]

Well this one raises too many questions to be properly answered in a single post.

Lets start with some basics.

1. It took evolution about 4 billion years to come up with man. What-say we give computing & robotics a bit more time than it has had so far before we judge what it can, and cannot do.

Would you have concluded evolution, after 3 billion years of operation, would come up with man when it was still operating on single celled entities?

2. Match a human. What does that mean? I don't think it means mimic a human but a typcial computer of today is capable of performing calculations at a speed no human can match. A computer can reliably store more data (particularly connected to the network) than any human. A computer/robot can perform repetitive tasks more reliably than any human. A computer can analyse and spot trends in volumes of data no human can match.

I think we can already come up with many activities that a computer/robot can already do that are unmatched by us.

The big revolution of the last few years has been the smartphone. The real difference between a smartphone and a computer has been, apart from size, the inputs to the system. GPS, cameras, microphones, gyroscopes and so on. Smartphones are more "aware" of their environment than anything artificial before.

Note that some of these new "senses" are beyond things that we ourselves have.

If, at the same time, we look at neutral networks, fuzzy logic, nano-technologies and the rest we can build a picture of the future that would have a robot being capable of things we cannot dream of.

We could, for example, provide them with vision deep into the infra-red and out into the ultra violet. We could give them hearing that would range from infrasound to ultrasound.

Sensory information can be made to outstrip everything we have.

A bold prediction indeed that they will never match us.

Its possible to say they will never be us - but who said that was ever the aim?

As HAL asked in 2010 - "Will I dream?"

You might yet HAL, you might yet.

[genkaus]

Reply to genkaus : the idea of relation between material and immaterial , appeared , after discovering by advanced anatomy and physiology studies of brain that ; it is just an electric circuits transfer surrounding effects to us ..., so who is that thinking being inside us...?

Nobody. The function of the circuit is what we call thinking.