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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 17, 2013 at 2:14 am
(October 16, 2013 at 5:44 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: WHA WHA WHA WAIT!!!
So you're telling me they DO say ONE AND THE SAME THING?
Okay, that's it. You're a goddamn idiot, and if all you can do is just willfully misinterpret everything that's said to you, strawmanning post after post in an attempt to detract from the argument actually being made, then I'm done with you.
You're a troll, and no amount of Donald Glover gifs is going to distract from what a dick you're being.
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 17, 2013 at 3:51 am
Esq, wasn't the whole thread about just such strawmanning?
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 17, 2013 at 4:14 am
(October 17, 2013 at 3:51 am)pocaracas Wrote: Esq, wasn't the whole thread about just such strawmanning?
True, I shouldn't be so surprised. What more could you expect from a guy with a derpy Batman avatar?
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 17, 2013 at 4:28 am
(October 17, 2013 at 4:14 am)Esquilax Wrote: (October 17, 2013 at 3:51 am)pocaracas Wrote: Esq, wasn't the whole thread about just such strawmanning?
True, I shouldn't be so surprised. What more could you expect from a guy with a derpy Batman avatar?
It almost feels like he's intentionally getting in your face...
Probably even going for a headbutt!
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 17, 2013 at 7:06 am
Vinny is obsessed with philosophical labeling. The bare fact is, all or almost all of us would have been comfortable hanging out with Carl Sagan and his friends as there are no stark ideological differences between us, as opposed to theists.
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 17, 2013 at 6:53 pm
(October 17, 2013 at 7:06 am)Brakeman Wrote: Vinny is obsessed with philosophical labeling. The bare fact is, all or almost all of us would have been comfortable hanging out with Carl Sagan and his friends as there are no stark ideological differences between us, as opposed to theists. Aye I have read some Carl Sagan and I agree with him on many things and I find his insight is often amazing. Just here he is dismissing a definition that most of us have dismissed too.
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 18, 2013 at 2:46 am
Btw vinny you accused me of being dishonest with the definition of atheist, so I set up a pool using my definition and yours, here
http://atheistforums.org/thread-21468.html
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 18, 2013 at 7:19 am
(October 13, 2013 at 5:08 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: (October 13, 2013 at 3:03 am)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Some food for thought.
No it`s not.
This subject has been discussed countless times. You are merely opening this thread because you can add the name Carl Sagan, and believe that it would somehow somewhere add somekind of weight to your pathetic possition. I for one am not impressed more by something if a famous name is added under it, maybe you are, and maybe you are the only one on thif forum.
My rejection of religion is not simply a rejection based on scientific discovery alone. It is also a rejection based on the personal need to determine myself aswell as a rejection based on moral values. Since I rejject the values of people like you for reasons that you have shown yourself by being one of the most disgusting members of this forum.
This is why I warn famous skeptics not to try to adapt superstitious language and water it down to make it earthy. It allows dumbasses to attempt to twist their words. Same thing has been done with Hawkins and Einstein. It would be nice if believers would simply understand that this is reducing a god concept to a metaphor for nature. But they are too dumb to understand we use words in different contexts.
I don't stop at rejecting all invisible Poofdaddy claims for scientific reasons, but especially with the big 3 monotheistic comic books, the head characters are bloodthirsty selfish narcissists and morally repugnant. It certainly would be frightening if those fictional characters were real.
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 19, 2013 at 8:40 pm
(October 13, 2013 at 3:03 am)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: “... someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God... ”
— “The Amniotic Universe,” Broca’s Brain
Mr Sagan seems to be setting you up to believe in his poorly considered old shite. Atheism makes no demands about how an atheist arrives at the position where they assert that deities do not exist. His attempt to redefine atheism to fit his personal thoughts is risible.
With his premise removed the rest falls into billions and billions of tiny pieces...
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RE: Why Carl Sagan rejected atheism
October 19, 2013 at 9:14 pm
(October 17, 2013 at 4:14 am)Esquilax Wrote: True, I shouldn't be so surprised. What more could you expect from a guy with a derpy Batman avatar?
You should have been around when he came around the first time. Same condescending bullshit - with a Jersey wiseguy accent. The guy's a tool. Shame, he might otherwise be worth engaging.
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