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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 28, 2009 at 10:36 am
EvF,
I think you are drinking the, "Gentleman" kool-aid. Looking at women is good, especially when they are dressed to attract looks. I would agree that at some point it is inappropriate but I agree with Dotard that it behooves women to dress according to the attention they wish to receive.
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 28, 2009 at 11:40 am
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Seriously... when people wear something like that... they are being exhibitionists. You are absolutely correct, Dotard. 
Quote:Naked photographs exposed is different to clothed ones for instance.
The analogy only works if it matches your own subjective view on what is right and wrong.
Why would you present yourself as naked... if you did not want to? If you were "exposed" against your will, then it would be just like somebody stealing your painting, and showing it to the world without your consent.
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 29, 2009 at 5:24 am
(October 28, 2009 at 10:36 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: EvF,
I think you are drinking the, "Gentleman" kool-aid. Looking at women is good, especially when they are dressed to attract looks. I would agree that at some point it is inappropriate but I agree with Dotard that it behooves women to dress according to the attention they wish to receive.
Even if it might be seen as perhaps rather odd, that women can dress like that but then at the same time get offended (some of them anyway) when they catch men looking at them, that doesn't stop it being a fact that they can still get offended by it.
However weird or not weird a position it is for them to hold, I still try to respect it, if I can.
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 29, 2009 at 5:59 am
(October 29, 2009 at 5:24 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Even if it might be seen as perhaps rather odd, that women can dress like that but then at the same time get offended (some of them anyway) when they catch men looking at them, that doesn't stop it being a fact that they can still get offended by it.
So what? Nobody has the right not to be offended. If a woman chooses to walk down the street half naked that's her business, to look at her doing it is my business. Whether she gets offended or not is her problem, not mine. If she feels awkward about wearing a low cut dress, then she shouldn't be wearing a low cut dress.
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 29, 2009 at 6:49 am
(October 29, 2009 at 5:59 am)leo-rcc Wrote: (October 29, 2009 at 5:24 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Even if it might be seen as perhaps rather odd, that women can dress like that but then at the same time get offended (some of them anyway) when they catch men looking at them, that doesn't stop it being a fact that they can still get offended by it.
So what? Nobody has the right not to be offended. If a woman chooses to walk down the street half naked that's her business, to look at her doing it is my business. Whether she gets offended or not is her problem, not mine. If she feels awkward about wearing a low cut dress, then she shouldn't be wearing a low cut dress.
100% right as far as I see. If she want's to walk down a street all naked, wearing a trenchcoat, or in whatever is "In": that's totally her bloody business. To observe is everyone's bloody business.
Clothing can be practical (See environmental suit) or ornamental (see what most of us wear every day), or even both (see sombrero). I find social stigma toward a lack of fake skin (clothing) or a certain style of fake skin ("out" fashions) to be ridiculous, tbh.
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 29, 2009 at 10:06 am
..and if I want to slap her on the ass and she gets offended, well would probably be my problem, hence why I don't do that. I would say that there is that fine line where casting a double glance becomes straight up oggling and should be stopped.
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 29, 2009 at 10:53 am
In Last Ray's defense, I have to point out that women do have a lot of rights in Islamic countries. Right hooks, right jabs, right uppercuts, and so on.
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 29, 2009 at 11:43 am
Quote: I know what I am doing
You 'know' nothing. You 'believe' a lot. There is no correlation between the two.
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 29, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Knowing is believing we are right > _ > Just saying 
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RE: woman rights in Islam
October 29, 2009 at 6:59 pm
(October 29, 2009 at 5:59 am)leo-rcc Wrote: So what? Nobody has the right not to be offended. If a woman chooses to walk down the street half naked that's her business, to look at her doing it is my business. Whether she gets offended or not is her problem, not mine. If she feels awkward about wearing a low cut dress, then she shouldn't be wearing a low cut dress.
Indeed, and what I choose to do is my business not yours
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