Suffering

[Captain Scarlet]

Classic theist rebuttal of the problem of suffering is to say that suffering could be consistent with driving the maximum people to god by free will. This is possible but lacks moral seriousness. But why hasn't god realised a world where all people come to freely beleive in him without suffering? He has created possible worlds where this has been the case. The garden of eden, the immediate post flood earth and heaven itself. All people freely believed and no suffering, so why not now? Is he just toying with us or does he simply not exist?

[chasm]

He doesn't exist. End of story.

[Paul the Human]

It's all a myth... and not a particularly good one. The Greeks, Romans, and Norse were much better at it.

[Rhage]

He doesn't exist, at least not by any evidence that I have been presented.

That was easy.

[Captain Scarlet]

He doesn't exist. End of story.

I agree chasm, but not everyone does and this forum helps us debate reasons for unbelief. We cannot dismiss gods without giving our reasoning a bit of rigour. I don't belong to the weak athiest school which claims we have no case to answer because we do not make a knowledge claim. I am a strong athiest and make a knowledge claim that there is no god and therefore need to state my reasons.

[chasm]

I agree chasm, but not everyone does and this forum helps us debate reasons for unbelief. We cannot dismiss gods without giving our reasoning a bit of rigour.

I understand that. It was mostly a sarcastic answer from my perspective. Of course I don't expect everyone to go along with it, and I know other people have varying opinions. I'm not an idiot.

[Rhage]

He doesn't exist. End of story.

I agree chasm, but not everyone does and this forum helps us debate reasons for unbelief. We cannot dismiss gods without giving our reasoning a bit of rigour. I don't belong to the weak athiest school which claims we have no case to answer because we do not make a knowledge claim. I am a strong athiest and make a knowledge claim that there is no god and therefore need to state my reasons.

That was snarky. "Weak atheist school" indeed.

As I stated, there has been no evidence to convince me that there is a god or gods. I lay no claim to a belief in allah or god, anyone who has evidence is free to disclose it.

[Captain Scarlet]

Chasm I apologise for lack of humour, I didn't mean to insult your intelligence
Rhage weak atheism is a common enough term. A respected position just not one I hold, no offence intended.

[chasm]

Chasm I apologise for lack of humour, I didn't mean to insult your intelligence

Well, then, you are forgiven. ^^

[annatar]

It's all a myth... and not a particularly good one. The Greeks, Romans, and Norse were much better at it.

its like a movie of a great book. since its a compiled&narrowed version of some pagan myths.