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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 3:18 am
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If the case is such that Satan can deceive people into think he is god, then how can we know that the god of the bible isn't the evil one and Satan the true god?
Maybe the whole bible was written by authors that thought they were in touch with god but actually talking to Satan in order to complete the deception. Then it would follow that drich's method would be incorporated into the text and people would be taught to disregard anything that disagreed with those teachings in the bible because it's a deception trying to protect itself from the truth. Hence the bible calls for death of and/or detachment from nonbelievers, where as if it was true it would encourage dissent and challenges it too in order to prove its truth. However what we see in reality and the bible is very different, Paul teaches to distance yourself from non believers, moses teaches to murder them and burn their towns down, Jesus says they will burn in hell, and john backs him up in revelations.
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 3:38 am
(November 11, 2013 at 3:18 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If the case is such that Satan can deceive people into think he is god, then how can we know that the god of the isn't the evil and Satan the true god?
Ahem.
Quote:If I were the Prince of Darkness I would want to engulf the world in the darkness of ignorance; I would use this ignorance to cause divisiveness among men, and my success would give me control of every nation in the world.
First, I would invent religion. Not just one religion, but many religions, and I would delude the followers of each into believing that theirs was the “one true faith.” In so doing, I would promote an attitude among mankind that the followers of religions other than their own must do so only through ignorance or the primitiveness of their culture. And I would promote an attitude among them all that those who refuse to accept any religion are delusional, arrogant, or evil;
Really makes you think... 
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 3:47 am
(November 11, 2013 at 3:38 am)Esquilax Wrote: (November 11, 2013 at 3:18 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If the case is such that Satan can deceive people into think he is god, then how can we know that the god of the isn't the evil and Satan the true god?
Ahem.
Quote:If I were the Prince of Darkness I would want to engulf the world in the darkness of ignorance; I would use this ignorance to cause divisiveness among men, and my success would give me control of every nation in the world.
First, I would invent religion. Not just one religion, but many religions, and I would delude the followers of each into believing that theirs was the “one true faith.” In so doing, I would promote an attitude among mankind that the followers of religions other than their own must do so only through ignorance or the primitiveness of their culture. And I would promote an attitude among them all that those who refuse to accept any religion are delusional, arrogant, or evil;
Really makes you think...
Yes, but following the same reasoning, you can figure why god made the made the universe and humanity. Play things.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 5:19 am
(November 11, 2013 at 3:38 am)Esquilax Wrote: (November 11, 2013 at 3:18 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If the case is such that Satan can deceive people into think he is god, then how can we know that the god of the isn't the evil and Satan the true god?
Ahem.
Quote:If I were the Prince of Darkness I would want to engulf the world in the darkness of ignorance; I would use this ignorance to cause divisiveness among men, and my success would give me control of every nation in the world.
First, I would invent religion. Not just one religion, but many religions, and I would delude the followers of each into believing that theirs was the “one true faith.” In so doing, I would promote an attitude among mankind that the followers of religions other than their own must do so only through ignorance or the primitiveness of their culture. And I would promote an attitude among them all that those who refuse to accept any religion are delusional, arrogant, or evil;
Really makes you think...
Again and again Maltheism pops up as the most logical answer. I posted on this a month or so ago. It is the inevitable conclusion if you accept that there is a God.
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 11:19 am
(November 10, 2013 at 10:00 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (November 10, 2013 at 9:50 pm)Drich Wrote: The fact that their doctrine differs from the Doctrine established in the bible. Think about it before you appeal to the knee jerk atheist argument here.
And how do you know the reverse isn't true? failed prophesy.
Joey made over 40 failed claims, and mo ham not to be beat made close to 100 failed prophecies if I remember correctly.
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 11:25 am
(November 10, 2013 at 4:42 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 9, 2013 at 8:51 am)Brakeman Wrote: The Pauline epistles were letters to the church from Paul telling them what to do on orders from god.
Weren't the church members praying already? Most church member do not pray now. Remember there is a difference between petition and prayer. Paul in one of the letters you mention makes this distinction.
Quote:Wasn't god already talking to them?
God speaks to us through the Holy Spirit. But so does satan. The only way we know who is speaking for sure is to verify what is said scripturally. Paul's letters were the verification we needed to sift out un-Godly messages.
Quote:Why the need for a stranger's claims of god messages?
Because without a standard the 'stanger' you hear maybe the words of God. Meaning if you do not learn to hear or identify God's voice then the message you are accustom to hearing may not be of God.
Quote: One can only conclude that the prayers from the church people were going unanswered and they were just talking to themselves during prayer time.
Why must one conclude this?
Quote:What else fits?
See my answers above.
Just one humongous detail worth pointing out.
Quote:God speaks to us through the Holy Spirit. But so does satan.
The only way to know for sure who is speaking is to read the bible which was written by men who may or may not have been influenced by the Great and Holy Satan! satan... (skip) satan... (skip) satan... (skip) satan...
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 11:28 am
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2013 at 11:49 am by Drich.)
(November 10, 2013 at 11:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:show me the scripture in which you speak and let's put in into it's proper context.
2 Thessalonians 2:11:
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
The context is that people who don't love the truth will be further deceived by God in order that they shall never, EVER be saved: no redemption, no chance to make atonement for sins committed - God deludes them specifically to prevent any chance of salvation. This strikes me as pretty odd behavior for a God who wants ALL people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4, in case you were wondering).
But I digress. Given the above, how can you determine if your religious beliefs are what God actually wants you to believe, or if God is making you believe a lie for the express purpose of damning you?
Boru
ah, no. Verse 11 is tied to the time frame established in verse 1. Verse one is speaking of the last days of the apoclapse. Which means in the last days (once the events of the end of the world have been triggered) those who wanted nothing to do God before the end times, will not accept the signs of the end times because of this great deception that has been sent.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV
I gave an example of what this deception might look like here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-11941.html
(November 11, 2013 at 3:18 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If the case is such that Satan can deceive people into think he is god, then how can we know that the god of the bible isn't the evil one and Satan the true god? In Christianity God and satan are not equals. Satan is a reluctant servant of God. He only does what He is allowed to do (see the book of Job.) If Satan is the almighty, then he is getting his teeth kicked in by his nemsis. Which makes him less than 'almighty.' which means he can not be God.
Quote:Maybe the whole bible was written by authors that thought they were in touch with god but actually talking to Satan in order to complete the deception.
Kinda like the koran and the book of Moromon? So ask yourself what seperated the bible for the book of mormon? Answer? Prophesy. Satan's books are filled with flat out wrong and unanswered prophesy. Satan is not Onmipotent therefore does not know what is comming.
Quote:Then it would follow that drich's method would be incorporated into the text and people would be taught to disregard anything that disagreed with those teachings in the bible because it's a deception trying to protect itself from the truth.
Then what standard would one use as the word of God?
Quote:Hence the bible calls for death of and/or detachment from nonbelievers, where as if it was true it would encourage dissent and challenges it too in order to prove its truth.
Where does it call for this?
Quote:However what we see in reality and the bible is very different, Paul teaches to distance yourself from non believers, moses teaches to murder them and burn their towns down, Jesus says they will burn in hell, and john backs him up in revelations.
again where?
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Your little boy toy jesus didn't do so well in the prophecy department either, Drippy.
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 1:12 pm
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Pauline Letters to the church.
November 11, 2013 at 1:30 pm
(November 11, 2013 at 11:28 am)Drich Wrote: Satan is a reluctant servant of God. He only does what He is allowed to do... (partial quote)
If god allows satan to be a dick, then by proxy, god is a dick.
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