How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate?

[Silver]

They died because they would not deny what they saw and were apart of.

If they had been in their right minds, they would not have died. What part of being brainwashed do you not understand?

Oh, that is right, you too are brainwashed.

[Minimalist]

I think it depends on what we know about the gospels from sources other than the gospels themselves

The answer to that is "nothing."

and athiest aren't?

We aren't the ones trying to assert that fiction is reality, Drippy. Please try to get it through your thick head that the absurd arguments of theists are unconvincing.

[Drich]

If they had been in their right minds, they would not have died.

Even if it meant that they were to lie about what they saw? Isn't that brainwashing? In truth They died because their understanding of life and what lies beyond exceeds your own. Not because they were told. It was because they witnessed and followed God the Son while He was on Earth.

Put yourself in their position. If you truly spent 3 years with God the Son and witnessed everything they did, and were even given the ablity to perform miricals yourself, would you deny Jesus just because your life was threatened?

What part of being brainwashed do you not understand?

Oh, that is right, you too are brainwashed.

Being 'brainwashed' by the truth of what you see and experienced is not brain washing. 'Brainwashing' would be to conform to the authorities wishes and deny what they saw. Because they were not 'brainwashed' they proclaimed the truth as they saw it even unto death!

[Minimalist]

The apostles are as phony as jesus himself. Sucks to be you, Drippy.

[Silver]

Because they were not 'brainwashed' they proclaimed the truth as they saw it even unto death!

Brainwashed people proclaim their delusions right up to their deaths.

[pocaracas]

Put yourself in their position. If you truly spent 3 years with God the Son and witnessed everything they did, and were even given the ablity to perform miricals yourself, would you deny Jesus just because your life was threatened?

Put yourself in god's position. If you truly spent 3 years on Earth, would you squander your time teaching 12 people who, even after those 3 years of teaching, didn't understand what you were... or would you take a broader approach?
Try to spend a few millenia; write your own teachings so future generations had access to them; go everywhere in the world, not just a current (at the time) hub of religious confluence; Give a helping hand in the slaughter of the enemies of Israel; Turn the whole world into your playground, where every single human knows you exist and either fears you, or adores you, or is indifferent to your presence, trying to go on with his life in the best of his abilities.
Wouldn't that be a tiny bit more reasonable than the story in the NT?

OH, don't even mention free will, because the apostles had first hand knowledge... and still.... Judas...

[Drich]

Put yourself in god's position. If you truly spent 3 years on Earth, would you squander your time teaching 12 people who, even after those 3 years of teaching, didn't understand what you were... or would you take a broader approach?

You have the benfit of hindsite and yet still you are blind.

Look at what was accomplished by God taking the approach that He did with the 12. Now look at what the 'broader approach' did for Israel. The path of Christianity eventually lead to 'freedom' FROM Religion. The Broader approach empowered a hand full of croupt men to subjugate an entire race of people.

Try to spend a few millenia; write your own teachings so future generations had access to them; go everywhere in the world, not just a current (at the time) hub of religious confluence; Give a helping hand in the slaughter of the enemies of Israel; Turn the whole world into your playground, where every single human knows you exist and either fears you, or adores you, or is indifferent to your presence, trying to go on with his life in the best of his abilities.

So again, do with the gentiles what he did with the jews? Do you not understand God was not happy with how the jews governed themselves? That He did not want them to worship the method of worship? Rather be from from the legalism and methodology? So why would He do the exact same thing with Christianity if it did not work with Judaism?

Wouldn't that be a tiny bit more reasonable than the story in the NT?

Again it completly depended on God's end goal. Your way=Slavery to the religion and religious leaders, God's way=Eventually lead to freedom from religion and a direct relationship with God.

OH, don't even mention free will, because the apostles had first hand knowledge... and still.... Judas...

What are you talking about?

[pocaracas]

Put yourself in god's position. If you truly spent 3 years on Earth, would you squander your time teaching 12 people who, even after those 3 years of teaching, didn't understand what you were... or would you take a broader approach?

You have the benfit of hindsite and yet still you are blind.

Look at what was accomplished by God taking the approach that He did with the 12. Now look at what the 'broader approach' did for Israel. The path of Christianity eventually lead to 'freedom' FROM Religion. The Broader approach empowered a hand full of croupt men to subjugate an entire race of people.

Try to spend a few millenia; write your own teachings so future generations had access to them; go everywhere in the world, not just a current (at the time) hub of religious confluence; Give a helping hand in the slaughter of the enemies of Israel; Turn the whole world into your playground, where every single human knows you exist and either fears you, or adores you, or is indifferent to your presence, trying to go on with his life in the best of his abilities.

So again, do with the gentiles what he did with the jews? Do you not understand God was not happy with how the jews governed themselves? That He did not want them to worship the method of worship? Rather be from from the legalism and methodology? So why would He do the exact same thing with Christianity if it did not work with Judaism?

Wouldn't that be a tiny bit more reasonable than the story in the NT?

Again it completly depended on God's end goal. Your way=Slavery to the religion and religious leaders, God's way=Eventually lead to freedom from religion and a direct relationship with God.

OH, don't even mention free will, because the apostles had first hand knowledge... and still.... Judas...

What are you talking about?

My way has no religion whatsoever...
My way has an ultimate leader, god itself, no human proxies, no people in the way.... nothing in which to believe or disbelieve. It would be fact!

What "god supposedly did for the jews was.... one human proxy every once in a while. And look where they are now?
What it did with the muslims was just the last of single human proxies... one man... one new religion to ruin the world. Just look at the power one con artist can yield... multiply that by the various previous similar con artists...
For christians, 12 human proxies at one particular time... spread out and killed, but their stories lived on... partial or mangled, the stories were eventually written down.

Still, Only humans!
Still, Only religions!
Still, Only stories!

My way would put a god with the reins.
Your way relies on human gullibility.... relies on geographical birthplace... relies on faulty humans.

[Drich]

You have the benfit of hindsite and yet still you are blind.

Look at what was accomplished by God taking the approach that He did with the 12. Now look at what the 'broader approach' did for Israel. The path of Christianity eventually lead to 'freedom' FROM Religion. The Broader approach empowered a hand full of croupt men to subjugate an entire race of people.

So again, do with the gentiles what he did with the jews? Do you not understand God was not happy with how the jews governed themselves? That He did not want them to worship the method of worship? Rather be from from the legalism and methodology? So why would He do the exact same thing with Christianity if it did not work with Judaism?

Again it completly depended on God's end goal. Your way=Slavery to the religion and religious leaders, God's way=Eventually lead to freedom from religion and a direct relationship with God.

What are you talking about?

My way has no religion whatsoever...
My way has an ultimate leader, god itself, no human proxies, no people in the way.... nothing in which to believe or disbelieve. It would be fact!

What "god supposedly did for the jews was.... one human proxy every once in a while. And look where they are now?
What it did with the muslims was just the last of single human proxies... one man... one new religion to ruin the world. Just look at the power one con artist can yield... multiply that by the various previous similar con artists...
For christians, 12 human proxies at one particular time... spread out and killed, but their stories lived on... partial or mangled, the stories were eventually written down.

Still, Only humans!
Still, Only religions!
Still, Only stories!

My way would put a god with the reins.
Your way relies on human gullibility.... relies on geographical birthplace... relies on faulty humans.

Not just 12 human proxies. Christ taught us how to obtain the Holy Spirit. This means that each of us becomes his own proxy to God, as God the Spirit indwells each of us. This is why Christianity works.

[Minimalist]