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Why Your God?
#21
RE: Why Your God?
(November 27, 2013 at 4:50 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(November 27, 2013 at 12:43 am)Godschild Wrote: Do you realize the truth of this?

GC

Why aren't you a Jew, then?

We worship the same God, I do not need to be a Jew to worship Him, besides one needs to be born Jewish.

GC

(November 27, 2013 at 6:16 pm)Wunsbee Wrote: One of the many thoughts that lead to me being an atheist.

(November 26, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: because He is the only true, real God, simple really.

GC

Do you realize that everyone says that about their god? The ancient greeks said that about their gods, the Scandanavian people said that about what we now call Norse Mythology and all the religions that are dead/alive. They all say the same exact thing, that THEY believe in the true god(s).

Budda is not real and all the gods of the past were made of wood, metal or stone, in my book that eliminates them. The word mythology attached to the Norse gods pretty much do them in also. None of these so called gods have brought their people back to a country that was dissolved for 2000 years, only the God of creation and He said He would some 3000 to 2500 years ago.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#22
RE: Why Your God?
(November 27, 2013 at 6:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(November 27, 2013 at 4:50 am)pocaracas Wrote: Why aren't you a Jew, then?

We worship the same God, I do not need to be a Jew to worship Him, besides one needs to be born Jewish.
Wut?!
"same god"? sorta...
"Needs to be born jewish"? huh? That's fresh... you need to be born in a given family to believe in a particular version of a particular god to have a particular way of worshiping that god?

You hinted that the Rabbi was saying the truth when he said "they worship God in their way, and I worship God in His".
Meaning, to my mind, that you're not worshiping your god in His way (whatever that is and however a person determines it)... but yours... and that's just not right, apparently. So you should turn jew to do it the right way.
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#23
RE: Why Your God?
(November 26, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(November 22, 2013 at 6:58 pm)ChildOfReason Wrote: This is a very simple question:
Of all the hundreds of religions, why do you have faith in yours? Why not faith in the Bible, the Torah, the Quran, or buddhist writings? What makes YOUR religion more valid?

because He is the only true, real God, simple really.

GC

My question was essentially ¨why is your god the only true and real one¨. Do you not see how that's circular logic?
¨I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.¨
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#24
RE: Why Your God?
I drink single malt whisky.

Now you might say why your drink. There are many other drinks available, many of which I've not tried. And certainly what people drink is heavily influenced by where they grew up and what people around them drink.

But whisky is my tipple. I tried it, I like it. I have sampled other drinks and while some I found Ok, I did not like them so much.

So I drink single malt scotch, and If we have guests in my house I will often tell them the good news of quality whisky and let them try some of my collection.

I picked my god on much the same v
Basis.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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#25
RE: Why Your God?
Jacob, you've got to understand that your reasoning doesn't testify to the reality of your god at all, right? You gave an answer of personal preference to a question of existence.
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#26
RE: Why Your God?
(November 28, 2013 at 6:30 am)Esquilax Wrote: Jacob, you've got to understand that your reasoning doesn't testify to the reality of your god at all, right? You gave an answer of personal preference to a question of existence.

Oh absolutely.

Sorry, I was answering the first bit of the OP

"Of all the hundreds of religions, why do you have faith in yours?"

That's a question of personal preference, not one of existence.

As you say that in no way testifies to the reality of my God.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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#27
RE: Why Your God?
I have a uber entity I'm particularly fond of.
It can grant wishes.
It's never granted me any, but I just know it does. I've seen other people who've had their wishes granted.
I believe it exists and is just waiting for me to find it... somehow... I could really use a map... but hey, you gotta have faith.
Other uber entities that people talk about aren't so awesome, so I don't think they're real. Mine must be.
This Universe was the wish it granted itself. Pretty awesome, huh?
I just can't wait for my turn at getting my wish... sadly, some people say that the wish is only granted after you're dead. A minor inconvenience, I'm sure.
Until then, I just need to believe that the entity is there. I don't know its name... maybe I'll wish for infinite knowledge. That should take care of all the things I'm ignorant of. yes... god idea.
I've always wished for the ability to heal any for of sickness from the living... but now I have a much nobler wish... self cultivation.... maybe that'll get granted before death.

I can't say much more about this entity, except that it does grant any wish you desire... and that is a very powerful thing to look forward to, don't you think?
Perhaps, someday, someone will write a book about it... We're waiting for it to grant us the wisdom of the words to put down in writing.
This post is one of the most comprehensive essays on it. I hope you enjoyed it.
Follow the wish giving entity. Believe it's there and you'll get your wish, even if only after death.
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#28
RE: Why Your God?
(November 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote:
(November 27, 2013 at 6:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: We worship the same God, I do not need to be a Jew to worship Him, besides one needs to be born Jewish.
Wut?!
"same god"? sorta...
"Needs to be born jewish"? huh? That's fresh... you need to be born in a given family to believe in a particular version of a particular god to have a particular way of worshiping that god?

You hinted that the Rabbi was saying the truth when he said "they worship God in their way, and I worship God in His".
Meaning, to my mind, that you're not worshiping your god in His way (whatever that is and however a person determines it)... but yours... and that's just not right, apparently. So you should turn jew to do it the right way.

To be a Jew you have to be born into a Jewish family, hope this make it simpler for you. Many Jews do not worship or recognize God, we have one on the forum actually. I can no more make myself Jewish than you can make yourself a rock.
I agreed with what the Rabbi said because we are suppose to worship God in His way. Those who worship God in their ways are trying to fit God into their lives instead of them making themselves fir into God's will.

GC

(November 28, 2013 at 2:27 am)ChildOfReason Wrote:
(November 26, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: because He is the only true, real God, simple really.

GC

My question was essentially ¨why is your god the only true and real one¨. Do you not see how that's circular logic?

There is no circular reasoning on my part, I told you with no doubt that my God is the only real God the rest are wood, stone or metal, just objects.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#29
RE: Why Your God?
(November 28, 2013 at 6:43 am)pocaracas Wrote: I have a uber entity I'm particularly fond of.

Why, and what's the reasons you're so fond of it?

Quote:It can grant wishes.

I have a Omnipotent God who doesn't grant wishes, your entity sounds lame.

Quote:It's never granted me any, but I just know it does. I've seen other people who've had their wishes granted.

Like I said above, "lame entity." How do you know it has granted others wishes or that it's even capable of such a thing.

Quote:I believe it exists and is just waiting for me to find it... somehow... I could really use a map... but hey, you gotta have faith.

My God doesn't expect me to find Him, He called me and gave me a road map before hand. He gave me some understanding and I trusted Him, and He taught me how to understand His road map.

Quote:Other uber entities that people talk about aren't so awesome, so I don't think they're real. Mine must be.

Like I said above your entity is lame, my God is awesome, full of love and grace, forgiving and faithful, a true friend. Why do you know so little about your entity... oh yeah your entity is lame, sorry I almost forgot.

Quote:This Universe was the wish it granted itself. Pretty awesome, huh?

Could not be, my God created because it was His will, His will over rules all else, the wish of your lame entity was a delusion, you should really check out my God, He is great.

Quote:I just can't wait for my turn at getting my wish... sadly, some people say that the wish is only granted after you're dead. A minor inconvenience, I'm sure.

My God provides for my needs, so I really need not wish, thankfully. My God provides in this life and the next, again you should check Him out.

Quote:Until then, I just need to believe that the entity is there. I don't know its name... maybe I'll wish for infinite knowledge. That should take care of all the things I'm ignorant of. yes... god idea.

I do not have to believe any longer about the reality of my God, He has shown Himself to me many times. I do not need infinite wisdom to know my God or His name. I wouldn't want infinite wisdom, that comes with a responsibility that could only be handled by one who is omnipotent and omnipresent, which my God is, so it's good He is omniscient.

Quote:I've always wished for the ability to heal any for of sickness from the living... but now I have a much nobler wish... self cultivation.... maybe that'll get granted before death.

Become a doctor, it takes a bit of work to accomplish, it's better than wishing. You may some time after death become cultivated into a nice garden or you could be just a bunch of weeds.

Quote:I can't say much more about this entity, except that it does grant any wish you desire... and that is a very powerful thing to look forward to, don't you think?

By your own admission it hasn't granted you any wishes, so it isn't able to grant wishes as you say, so as I see it by your admission there's nothing to look forward to. You haven't even shown your entity knows who you are because you have to find it, lame entity.

Quote:Perhaps, someday, someone will write a book about it... We're waiting for it to grant us the wisdom of the words to put down in writing.
This post is one of the most comprehensive essays on it. I hope you enjoyed it.

The essay is as lame as the entity is, it hasn't granted you a wish, you haven't shown it has granted anyone a wish. An entity that would grant just any wish would have no responsibility for the ones it grants wishes to. The trouble that comes with the wish would be all your's while the entity sets back and watches you suffer the consequences, without the slightest bit of care or comfort. Lame entity.

Quote:Follow the wish giving entity. Believe it's there and you'll get your wish, even if only after death.

No thanks, my God offers so much more than your lame entity, seeing to my needs in this life and giving rewards in the next.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#30
RE: Why Your God?
(November 28, 2013 at 9:31 pm)Godschild Wrote: To be a Jew you have to be born into a Jewish family, hope this make it simpler for you. Many Jews do not worship or recognize God, we have one on the forum actually. I can no more make myself Jewish than you can make yourself a rock.

Don't be absurd. One can convert to Judaism.
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