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RE: Does God Exist
November 22, 2013 at 11:02 pm
(November 22, 2013 at 10:07 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: (November 22, 2013 at 10:02 pm)ChildOfReason Wrote: It is simply the transition from living a comforting lie to realizing a hard truth. I felt that void until I embraced that truth, and began to love that truth more than I loved my god.
I never felt the void, I just felt relief. Why would anyone want such a terrible god? And to live for him when you know full well that many of your friends would burn in hell because of him?
That is a good point, however, there was some comfort in believing something "benevolent" was going to reward me eventually.
¨I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.¨
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RE: Does God Exist
November 22, 2013 at 11:25 pm
(November 22, 2013 at 11:02 pm)ChildOfReason Wrote: (November 22, 2013 at 10:07 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I never felt the void, I just felt relief. Why would anyone want such a terrible god? And to live for him when you know full well that many of your friends would burn in hell because of him?
That is a good point, however, there was some comfort in believing something "benevolent" was going to reward me eventually.
It's a little childish isn't it? The idea that you would like to be in a situation where someone's always taking care of you where you get rewarded for pleasing them. I mean of course having someone looking out for you would give you comfort but I wouldn't trade it for freedom.
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RE: Does God Exist
November 23, 2013 at 10:49 am
(November 22, 2013 at 11:25 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: It's a little childish isn't it? The idea that you would like to be in a situation where someone's always taking care of you where you get rewarded for pleasing them. I mean of course having someone looking out for you would give you comfort but I wouldn't trade it for freedom.
It is childish, but in childish ignorance was a bliss. Theists are like ostriches sticking their head in the sand. They find bliss in their own childishness, and ignore all reasons to take their head out and see the beauty of what is outside the sand, simply because of their greatest fear; a world where you truly die, and don't experience eternity.
¨I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.¨
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RE: Does God Exist
November 23, 2013 at 4:29 pm
I just want to put it out there that my prayer to whoever is out there 'FAILED' I will try again tonight and one more on Sunday Night.
I do hope that any God will show themselves to me! lol
@Pineapple - I want it in a dream because at least in a Dream there is a likelyness of a God doing it, Asking for something like money or a password may not be possible but what I am asking for should be easily achievable.
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RE: Does God Exist
November 24, 2013 at 5:09 am
(November 23, 2013 at 4:29 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: I just want to put it out there that my prayer to whoever is out there 'FAILED' I will try again tonight and one more on Sunday Night.
I do hope that any God will show themselves to me! lol You do realize if you do not have a deadline, instead of spending your time worshipping god you'd have spent your time waiting for god and eventually that dream will happen and you will spend your remaining time worshipping god.
Quite defeats the purpose of trying to find out if there's a god: to figure out if you should spend time abiding biblical rules.
Quote:@Pineapple - I want it in a dream because at least in a Dream there is a likelyness of a God doing it, Asking for something like money or a password may not be possible but what I am asking for should be easily achievable.
Actually, anything can happen in dreams which makes it much less likely that it was god. You should pick something that's really hard to do, then if it happens, you know it's likely to be god, at least, the pool of possible candidates that could've caused it is will be much much smaller[/quote]. Like rearranging the stars in the sky to spell out your name clearly.
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RE: Does God Exist
November 24, 2013 at 9:24 am
(November 24, 2013 at 5:09 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: (November 23, 2013 at 4:29 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: I just want to put it out there that my prayer to whoever is out there 'FAILED' I will try again tonight and one more on Sunday Night.
I do hope that any God will show themselves to me! lol You do realize if you do not have a deadline, instead of spending your time worshipping god you'd have spent your time waiting for god and eventually that dream will happen and you will spend your remaining time worshipping god.
Quite defeats the purpose of trying to find out if there's a god: to figure out if you should spend time abiding biblical rules.
Quote:@Pineapple - I want it in a dream because at least in a Dream there is a likelyness of a God doing it, Asking for something like money or a password may not be possible but what I am asking for should be easily achievable.
Actually, anything can happen in dreams which makes it much less likely that it was god. You should pick something that's really hard to do, then if it happens, you know it's likely to be god, at least, the pool of possible candidates that could've caused it is will be much much smaller . Like rearranging the stars in the sky to spell out your name clearly.
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I know that anything can happen which is why I am choosing a Dream because if there is even a chance of a 'Fluke' then it will be through a dream.
Re-arranging the stars for my name is not really possible as that defies physics and for some reason we are unable to measure 'God' except when he talks to us.
So my thinking is that I want to see real proof.
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RE: Does God Exist
November 24, 2013 at 5:10 pm
(November 24, 2013 at 9:24 am)themonkeyman Wrote: (November 24, 2013 at 5:09 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: You do realize if you do not have a deadline, instead of spending your time worshipping god you'd have spent your time waiting for god and eventually that dream will happen and you will spend your remaining time worshipping god.
Quite defeats the purpose of trying to find out if there's a god: to figure out if you should spend time abiding biblical rules.
Actually, anything can happen in dreams which makes it much less likely that it was god. You should pick something that's really hard to do, then if it happens, you know it's likely to be god, at least, the pool of possible candidates that could've caused it is will be much much smaller . Like rearranging the stars in the sky to spell out your name clearly.
I know that anything can happen which is why I am choosing a Dream because if there is even a chance of a 'Fluke' then it will be through a dream.
Re-arranging the stars for my name is not really possible as that defies physics and for some reason we are unable to measure 'God' except when he talks to us.
So my thinking is that I want to see real proof.
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If I were to receive a clear message from a deity the first thing that I would check is -- am I awake? If it were a dream I would discount it as just that.
If I were awake and I could see a clear, testable violation of the laws of physics, then i could be convinced.
As I tell believers -- I have no personal emotional attachment to being an atheist. If I were to actually see unambiguous evidence for a grand cosmic whatnot -- i'd believe in the thing.
Dreams are not evidence.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste -- don't pollute it with bullshit.
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RE: Does God Exist
November 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm
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(November 22, 2013 at 9:37 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: Drippy would state something to the effect that it is god's decision to choose the time and method by which he contacts you, that god will not give you a sign simply because you demand it of him.
I think he would also add to your message directed to monkey, if God did do this for you wouldn't it set a bad precedent? In that you hold your soul hostage and if God doesn't do what you say you will send yourself to Hell...
Why not simply take God up on His offer on His terms using His time frame?
(November 23, 2013 at 4:29 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: I just want to put it out there that my prayer to whoever is out there 'FAILED' I will try again tonight and one more on Sunday Night.
I do hope that any God will show themselves to me! lol
@Pineapple - I want it in a dream because at least in a Dream there is a likelyness of a God doing it, Asking for something like money or a password may not be possible but what I am asking for should be easily achievable.
Why would the God of creation be bound to your time frame? What hold or even what reason would He meet you on your terms? We are told to Humble ourselves before God, and allow Him to lift you up. To put it another way, Moses, Abraham, David, Adam, Daniel, Matthew, Paul, John, Peter. did any of these men have the power to summon God as you are trying to?
Are you better/more special than any of them?
Also be careful because God is not the only one who speaks in dreams.
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RE: Does God Exist
November 24, 2013 at 7:29 pm
(November 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 22, 2013 at 9:37 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: Drippy would state something to the effect that it is god's decision to choose the time and method by which he contacts you, that god will not give you a sign simply because you demand it of him.
I think he would also add to your message directed to monkey, if God did do this for you wouldn't it set a bad precedent? In that you hold your soul hostage and if God doesn't do what you say you will send yourself to Hell...
Why not simply take God up on His offer on His terms using His time frame?
(November 23, 2013 at 4:29 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: I just want to put it out there that my prayer to whoever is out there 'FAILED' I will try again tonight and one more on Sunday Night.
I do hope that any God will show themselves to me! lol
@Pineapple - I want it in a dream because at least in a Dream there is a likelyness of a God doing it, Asking for something like money or a password may not be possible but what I am asking for should be easily achievable.
Why would the God of creation be bound to your time frame? What hold or even what reason would He meet you on your terms? We are told to Humble ourselves before God, and allow Him to lift you up. To put it another way, Moses, Abraham, David, Adam, Daniel, Matthew, Paul, John, Peter. did any of these men have the power to summon God as you are trying to?
Are you better/more special than any of them?
Also be careful because God is not the only one who speaks in dreams.
Actually all these people had very little faith in God despite him trying again and again to prove himself! So to be honest my reaction is no worse than his disciples except he tried with them.
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RE: Does God Exist
November 24, 2013 at 11:10 pm
(November 24, 2013 at 7:29 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: (November 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm)Drich Wrote: I think he would also add to your message directed to monkey, if God did do this for you wouldn't it set a bad precedent? In that you hold your soul hostage and if God doesn't do what you say you will send yourself to Hell...
Why not simply take God up on His offer on His terms using His time frame?
Why would the God of creation be bound to your time frame? What hold or even what reason would He meet you on your terms? We are told to Humble ourselves before God, and allow Him to lift you up. To put it another way, Moses, Abraham, David, Adam, Daniel, Matthew, Paul, John, Peter. did any of these men have the power to summon God as you are trying to?
Are you better/more special than any of them?
Also be careful because God is not the only one who speaks in dreams.
Actually all these people had very little faith in God despite him trying again and again to prove himself! So to be honest my reaction is no worse than his disciples except he tried with them.
I've already pointed out your trying to summon God on demand using your own time frames, and conditions. None of the disciples did this. They were faithful to what Christ offered them. Christ offers us the Holy Spirit, and tells us how to obtain Him. But, you don't want what Christ offers, you want signs and wonders to order. Again what if God does not want support your version of Himself?
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