The biblical exodus and the Biblical Jewish kingdom.

[Lion IRC]

Is their any evidence that these ever happened/existed?

An actual mass exodus from Egypt and then the eventual supposed kingdom. Has their ever been any large Jewish population in the biblical time period?

I say no to all if the above.

The exodus of Israelite people who left Egypt are the ones who Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss accuse of complicity in the slaughter of the Canaanites.

You tell me. Did they invade Canaan? Did that happen?

[Minimalist]

Did they invade Canaan? Did that happen?

No. But the question is what kind of a bunch of blood-thirsty bastards would later glorify genocide? That they did do!

[Chad32]

They were on the run from Babylon, from what I heard, and needed new land. They had to take it from someone, and used the worship of a war god to justify it.

[Minimalist]

I don't know where you heard that.

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

Thank you for the cites OM.

I doubt theists accept the overwhelming consensus of modern scholarship on this topic either (Finkelstein, Dever, et al), but that's their loss.

One would think this fact would be sufficient to throw a monkey wrench in the whole Abrahamic works, but like the Mormons, no amount of contrary evidence or lack of supporting evidence will change the poor deluded soul's minds.

No worries mate, I wasn't trying to steal your thunder or anything, but I know what people are like so I thought I'd jump in before anyone got the chance

The exodus of Israelite people who left Egypt are the ones who Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss accuse of complicity in the slaughter of the Canaanites.

You tell me. Did they invade Canaan? Did that happen?

They, like many, use the story to question the integrity of the "all loving, all powerful source of absolute morality". You don't need to believe a story is true to think it stinks of excrement.

[theyear12013]

I think it does ultimately over a 50-200 year period throw a wrench in the whole Abrahamic works. Many secular Israelis are waking up to the fact that maybe the entire ideology built into the land of Israel is as bunk as biblical history and this complex exilic religion that is no longer in exile and so no longer has a goal.

The problem is the other two baby religions Christianity and Islam -- are told when the Jewish human beings go back to the Holy Land, that's a sign of the apocalypse. Well I assert that's correct -- in a secular context. Think about it. Whatever great sci-fi writer wrote the apocalyptic books probably understood -- if Jewish humans come back to the holy land the gig is up. It is the the end times. But its not the end times for all of humanity its the end times of these stories because it makes no sense if Jewish human beings can supersede the other two in the holy land since they are later revelation. It must mean something big is about to happen. But when the Messiah doesn't show and the Muslims are unable to defeat this Religo-Secular state through military means like their stories say, well khalas as the Arabs say -- maybe it was all just a big joke and we should move to Canada.

[Minimalist]

Does Canada get a vote?

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

When the Messiah doesn't show?? He's been and gone mate. You never heard of Jah Ras Tafari, the Lion of Judah?







Peace Bruddah

[I and I]

I think it does ultimately over a 50-200 year period throw a wrench in the whole Abrahamic works. Many secular Israelis are waking up to the fact that maybe the entire ideology built into the land of Israel is as bunk as biblical history and this complex exilic religion that is no longer in exile and so no longer has a goal.

The problem is the other two baby religions Christianity and Islam -- are told when the Jewish human beings go back to the Holy Land, that's a sign of the apocalypse. Well I assert that's correct -- in a secular context. Think about it. Whatever great sci-fi writer wrote the apocalyptic books probably understood -- if Jewish humans come back to the holy land the gig is up. It is the the end times. But its not the end times for all of humanity its the end times of these stories because it makes no sense if Jewish human beings can supersede the other two in the holy land since they are later revelation. It must mean something big is about to happen. But when the Messiah doesn't show and the Muslims are unable to defeat this Religo-Secular state through military means like their stories say, well khalas as the Arabs say -- maybe it was all just a big joke and we should move to Canada.

Israel is the only country founded on a religious prophecy, they are the only nation today to maintain the outdated and horrible apartheid style rule....yet we are told they are a modern nation in the Middle East. Apartheid was in place in South Africa, Vietnam, Algeria and other former colonial states for much longer than Israel has existed.....hence the idea that it can't end in the Middle East is pure bullshit.

[EgoRaptor]

I'm going to assume this is an attack on Zionism. In reality, I regard the bible as a fairy tale & don't believe in the Biblical exodus. Although all that matters is that the Jews were in Israel before the diaspora. That alone gives them rights to Israel.

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I think it does ultimately over a 50-200 year period throw a wrench in the whole Abrahamic works. Many secular Israelis are waking up to the fact that maybe the entire ideology built into the land of Israel is as bunk as biblical history and this complex exilic religion that is no longer in exile and so no longer has a goal.

The problem is the other two baby religions Christianity and Islam -- are told when the Jewish human beings go back to the Holy Land, that's a sign of the apocalypse. Well I assert that's correct -- in a secular context. Think about it. Whatever great sci-fi writer wrote the apocalyptic books probably understood -- if Jewish humans come back to the holy land the gig is up. It is the the end times. But its not the end times for all of humanity its the end times of these stories because it makes no sense if Jewish human beings can supersede the other two in the holy land since they are later revelation. It must mean something big is about to happen. But when the Messiah doesn't show and the Muslims are unable to defeat this Religo-Secular state through military means like their stories say, well khalas as the Arabs say -- maybe it was all just a big joke and we should move to Canada.

Israel is the only country founded on a religious prophecy, they are the only nation today to maintain the outdated and horrible apartheid style rule....yet we are told they are a modern nation in the Middle East. Apartheid was in place in South Africa, Vietnam, Algeria and other former colonial states for much longer than Israel has existed.....hence the idea that it can't end in the Middle East is pure bullshit.

Israel is a secular state based on secular principles. You disgrace the names of all those who died fighting apartheid by calling Israel apartheid. Give me one example of how Israel is an apartheid state.