Is multiculturalism a bad thing for Europe?

[EgoRaptor]

Multiculturalism is a form of cultural jihad.

[kiwimac]

Multiculturalism is a form of cultural jihad.

Rot!

[EgoRaptor]

Multiculturalism is a form of cultural jihad.

Rot!

Wut?

[Napoléon]

I'm from Birmingham, which for those people who don't know, has a significant Muslim population. The vast majority of this population in my experience have no intention of integrating and basically, for lack of a better term, 'take over' the areas they move into. It will probably sound bad to some people, but frankly you know when you're in a "Muslim area". There'll be litter and bin bags in the streets, houses look run down like crack dens, more Honda's than you can count and a Mosque on every street corner. These places are shitholes and not somewhere you want to be walking in the middle of the night.

Don't take this as though I'm having a dig at Muslims, or that I'm stereotyping every Muslim that is in Birmingham, but for the most part it is like this and I'd say to anyone who disagrees to take a visit to Small Heath and tell me how wonderful multiculturalism is when they view it.

Conversely, I've lived in Derby for the past three years which genuinely has a mixture of people from lots of different cultures. None of them with their own 'areas'; they are just living together. I know people who are Muslims, people from India, Hong Kong, Estonia, Hungary, America, Brazil. No problems. But the difference, I think, is that no single culture, ethnicity or whatever has had a massive population boom and moved into one place together.

The thing that gets me, is you know immediately when you see a gang of Muslim lads or girls. They all hang around with each other, they all talk to each other, shake hands with each other, but very rarely do you see anyone from another ethnicity or culture with them. You could argue it's just personal experience and not everyone is like it, and yeah, not everyone is. There's two Muslim guys in my class who are the pair of nicest guys you'll ever meet. But even still, it is seriously noticeable how a large portion of Muslims seem to not want to integrate into the culture or country they are living in.

My 2 cents for what it's worth.

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[EgoRaptor]

I'm from Birmingham, which for those people who don't know, has a significant Muslim population. The vast majority of this population in my experience have no intention of integrating and basically, for lack of a better term, 'take over' the areas they move into. It will probably sound bad to some people, but frankly you know when you're in a "Muslim area". There'll be litter and bin bags in the streets, houses look run down like crack dens, more Honda's than you can count and a Mosque on every street corner. These places are shitholes and not somewhere you want to be walking in the middle of the night.

Don't take this as though I'm having a dig at Muslims, or that I'm stereotyping every Muslim that is in Birmingham, but for the most part it is like this and I'd say to anyone who disagrees to take a visit to Small Heath and tell me how wonderful multiculturalism is when they view it.

Conversely, I've lived in Derby for the past three years which genuinely has a mixture of people from lots of different cultures. None of them with their own 'areas'; they are just living together. I know people who are Muslims, people from India, Hong Kong, Estonia, Hungary, America, Brazil. No problems. But the difference, I think, is that no single culture, ethnicity or whatever has had a massive population boom and moved into one place together.

The thing that gets me, is you know immediately when you see a gang of Muslim lads or girls. They all hang around with each other, they all talk to each other, shake hands with each other, but very rarely do you see anyone from another ethnicity or culture with them. You could argue it's just personal experience and not everyone is like it, and yeah, not everyone is. There's two Muslim guys in my class who are the pair of nicest guys you'll ever meet. But even still, it is seriously noticeable how a large portion of Muslims seem to not want to integrate into the culture or country they are living in.

My 2 cents for what it's worth.

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No more Moslems should be allowed into Britain. There are too many of them already & they want to take over. Strict breeding limits should be put on the ones already there.

[Napoléon]

No more Moslems should be allowed into Britain. There are too many of them already & they want to take over. Strict breeding limits should be put on the ones already there.

Yeah I wouldn't endorse that myself.

I just think there needs to be more of a movement within the Muslim communities themselves to get in the 21st century and start integrating, because at the minute they seem to enjoy cutting themselves off, threatening the democratic laws that give them their freedoms, and then playing the victim card whenever their hypocrisy gets highlighted.

Again I'm making generalisations, but I'm just referring to those who fit the bill.

[NoraBrimstone]

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I'm from Birmingham, which for those people who don't know, has a significant Muslim population. The vast majority of this population in my experience have no intention of integrating and basically, for lack of a better term, 'take over' the areas they move into. It will probably sound bad to some people, but frankly you know when you're in a "Muslim area". There'll be litter and bin bags in the streets, houses look run down like crack dens, more Honda's than you can count and a Mosque on every street corner. These places are shitholes and not somewhere you want to be walking in the middle of the night.

Don't take this as though I'm having a dig at Muslims, or that I'm stereotyping every Muslim that is in Birmingham, but for the most part it is like this and I'd say to anyone who disagrees to take a visit to Small Heath and tell me how wonderful multiculturalism is when they view it.

Conversely, I've lived in Derby for the past three years which genuinely has a mixture of people from lots of different cultures. None of them with their own 'areas'; they are just living together. I know people who are Muslims, people from India, Hong Kong, Estonia, Hungary, America, Brazil. No problems. But the difference, I think, is that no single culture, ethnicity or whatever has had a massive population boom and moved into one place together.

The thing that gets me, is you know immediately when you see a gang of Muslim lads or girls. They all hang around with each other, they all talk to each other, shake hands with each other, but very rarely do you see anyone from another ethnicity or culture with them. You could argue it's just personal experience and not everyone is like it, and yeah, not everyone is. There's two Muslim guys in my class who are the pair of nicest guys you'll ever meet. But even still, it is seriously noticeable how a large portion of Muslims seem to not want to integrate into the culture or country they are living in.

My 2 cents for what it's worth.

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No more Moslems should be allowed into Britain. There are too many of them already & they want to take over. Strict breeding limits should be put on the ones already there.

Yeah! And the Irish! Fucking Irish breed like rabbits around here.

[kılıç_mehmet]

The problem I think is that multicultural policy wants to paint all with the same brush and you can't. There is a huge between a working class Indian Hindu and fundamentalist from Iran. The problem is that Muslims (not all) seek to dominate, and when you create a culture designed for multiculturalism they see it as a weakness to exploit. Not to mention they are often more racist then anyone. However I do think we should accept people that are willing to accept the values that make the west strong. And we should not bent to those who would change that.

I think you should accept people that have something to contribute to the system. Like, I could come and work there as an engineer, but no one should expect me to intermarry or raise my children in the way that the natives do. I only come there for a limited amount of time, and I do not wish to discard my own identity. I will come, work, pay taxes and go back after some time, and if I like the place, perhaps I will come later on to buy an estate and establish a business connection in the place, if I am able.
I will contribute to the system but I will not join the people that created the system. But neither will I try to fuck over the people that presented me with the opportunity to contribute and profit.
That should be the criteria.
In this way, everyone can profit.

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Multiculturalism is a form of cultural jihad.

Cultural jihad. Wow. I miss the good old days of my ghazi ancestors. We would ride like the wind and fall upon the west like wolves. Times of the Ghazis have passed. So did the time of Jihad.

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No more Moslems should be allowed into Britain. There are too many of them already & they want to take over. Strict breeding limits should be put on the ones already there.

Yeah I wouldn't endorse that myself.

I just think there needs to be more of a movement within the Muslim communities themselves to get in the 21st century and start integrating, because at the minute they seem to enjoy cutting themselves off, threatening the democratic laws that give them their freedoms, and then playing the victim card whenever their hypocrisy gets highlighted.

Again I'm making generalisations, but I'm just referring to those who fit the bill.

Most are really not a threat to any laws, really, but I think they are the pawns of others in their bid to divide the native populace.

[Lemonvariable72]

I think I largely agree with you mehmet, if your coming to say for example Canada, and your here to contribute, then fine our constitution guarantees you your freedom. Nobody's asking you to abandon your culture. The only thing I was referring to is that many Muslims have been trying to take advantage of pro multi cultural attitudes and trying to do things like implement sharia in Canada.

[là bạn điên]

I think you should accept people that have something to contribute to the system. Like, I could come and work there as an engineer, but no one should expect me to intermarry or raise my children in the way that the natives do. I only come there for a limited amount of time, and I do not wish to discard my own identity. I will come, work, pay taxes and go back after some time, and if I like the place, perhaps I will come later on to buy an estate and establish a business connection in the place, if I am able.
I will contribute to the system but I will not join the people that created the system. But neither will I try to fuck over the people that presented me with the opportunity to contribute and profit.
That should be the criteria.
In this way, everyone can profit.

That is about Guest workers -people who stay for a bit and return but no one is making an issue of it but what if you were to come to the UK bringing your wife from Turkey. You have children in the UK and they go to local schools but you insist that your sons marry a 'good girl from the village in Anatolia' and you daughters also marry Turkish men and then THEIR children also marry people from the 'old country', refuse to integrate in the third generation. There is something very very wrong there but this is what is happening in parts of the UK

Pakistanis who emigrated to the UK in the sixties had children who 'married back 'to Pakistan (to facilitate further immigration) Then their children born in the late eighties to nineties are now still 'marrying back' to the same backward village their grandparents came from in 1965

Cultural jihad. Wow. I miss the good old days of my ghazi ancestors. We would ride like the wind and fall upon the west like wolves. Times of the Ghazis have passed. So did the time of Jihad.

Unfortunately a significant number of Muslims disagree with you here.