Can an Atheist know anything?

[Nineteen]

19, please convince me using verses from the koran that the koran is true.


Wait. Do you understand sarcasm? Can you possibly understand that you cannot base a proof on that which requires proof?

Why I need to convince you ? You can reach Quran easly and interperations about it or the safest way you can research it word by word .

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She is young stupid and totally indoctrinated.

Kinda feel sorry for her, her religion is not a pretty picture.

I'm gonna ignore you .

[Esquilax]

She is young stupid and totally indoctrinated.

Kinda feel sorry for her, her religion is not a pretty picture.

I'm gonna ignore you .

She's already got you on ignore, that little barb fell on deaf ears.

Bit pointless, really.

[Nineteen]

If you look Nineteen, I DID ask you about a verse in the quaran, back in post 37. Did you perchance fail to spot that one or did you not wish to comment on it.

I think you added this question subsequently by editing your post .

I'm not very familier with your holy book, but perhaps you could explain to me the meaning of 002.193

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah"

You're not familier my holy book , so you're not familiar with my religion , but you can dare to judge my religion without having enough knowledge about it . So you admit that you're completely behaving according to your feelings , you just dont like Islam and Muslims and this is enough reason to hate them .

2:193 You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.


what kind of person would be uncomfortable due to this verse , oppresive and persecutor one .

I could easily understand these verses while I was 7-8 years old , but you cant understand . Actually you can understand , you just dont want to understand .

[Whateverist]

You're not familier my holy book , so you're not familiar with my religion , but you can dare to judge my religion without having enough knowledge about it . So you admit that you're completely behaving according to your feelings , you just dont like Islam and Muslims and this is enough reason to hate them .

No knowledge of your holy book is required to judge what is done in its name. That isn't to say no virtuous person could be a Muslim. But for the great majority of Muslims, it doesn't seem to be working.

[Nineteen]

No knowledge of your holy book is required to judge what is done in its name. That isn't to say no virtuous person could be a Muslim. But for the great majority of Muslims, it doesn't seem to be working.

Do you really believe in what you say ? Islam is not a company and muslims are not its salaried-contractual personnels . So in this case I can blame all the atheists because of some atheists ? Now I'm sure personal interests will be engaged and you will say just the opposite for yourself .

[Bad Writer]

Atheists do nothing in the name of atheism; it's not a system of beliefs under which to unite. Islam, however, is. If men are beheading others in the name of Allah and doing so in accordance to the holy Quran, then this is certainly your problem, Nineteen, for this is all part of your wonderful religion.

[Nineteen]

Atheists do nothing in the name of atheism; it's not a system of beliefs under which to unite. Islam, however, is. If men are beheading others in the name of Allah and doing so in accordance to the holy Quran, then this is certainly your problem, Nineteen, for this is all part of your wonderful religion.

Atheism is a belief system and I could blame all the atheists because of one atheists . I can say Pharoah was a bad person because of he was an atheists , I can say the same thing for Stalin , Lanin , Mussolini , Hitler , Mao.... etc ...
They were bad people because they were away from religious moral . Dont worry I can keep it a sheath in any way .

If a man beheading other in the name of Allah , this is not the problem of Allah . You can kill yourself in the my name or you can steal a car to me as a gift .This does not make me a criminal , criminal is you , you chose to be a criminal . You said Nineteen wanted me to steal a car when the police catch you , and police ask you about an evidence to blame me . In the same way I'm asking you for an evidence from Quran that Allah wants muslims to do bad jobs ?

I'm sure you understand me very well .

[Jackalope]

Atheists do nothing in the name of atheism; it's not a system of beliefs under which to unite. Islam, however, is. If men are beheading others in the name of Allah and doing so in accordance to the holy Quran, then this is certainly your problem, Nineteen, for this is all part of your wonderful religion.

Atheism is a belief system and I could blame all the atheists because of one atheists . I can say Pharoah was a bad person because of he was an atheists , I can say the same thing for Stalin , Lanin , Mussolini , Hitler , Mao.... etc ...
They were bad people because they were away from religious moral . Dont worry I can keep it a sheath in any way .

If a man beheading other in the name of Allah , this is not the problem of Allah . You can kill yourself in the my name or you can steal a car to me as a gift .This does not make me a criminal , criminal is you , you chose to be a criminal . You said Nineteen wanted me to steal a car when the police catch you , and police ask you about an evidence to blame me . In the same way I'm asking you for an evidence from Quran that Allah wants muslims to do bad jobs ?

I'm sure you understand me very well .

I'm sure that I understand that you have some strange ideas about what atheism is, based on what you wrote above.

[Crossless2.0]

Atheists do nothing in the name of atheism; it's not a system of beliefs under which to unite. Islam, however, is. If men are beheading others in the name of Allah and doing so in accordance to the holy Quran, then this is certainly your problem, Nineteen, for this is all part of your wonderful religion.

Atheism is a belief system and I could blame all the atheists because of one atheists . I can say Pharoah was a bad person because of he was an atheists , I can say the same thing for Stalin , Lanin , Mussolini , Hitler , Mao.... etc ...
They were bad people because they were away from religious moral . Dont worry I can keep it a sheath in any way .

If a man beheading other in the name of Allah , this is not the problem of Allah . You can kill yourself in the my name or you can steal a car to me as a gift .This does not make me a criminal , criminal is you , you chose to be a criminal . You said Nineteen wanted me to steal a car when the police catch you , and police ask you about an evidence to blame me . In the same way I'm asking you for an evidence from Quran that Allah wants muslims to do bad jobs ?

I'm sure you understand me very well .

Pharoah was an atheist? I fucking doubt it. Hitler and Mussolini are also questionable examples.

As for the others, do you seriously believe that Lenin, Stalin, or Mao killed in the name of "atheism," or rather in the name of their Communist ideology and the state religion set up on its basis?

Sorry, but your post is a massive fail. The murderous dictators you mentioned share far more in common with religious people (an all-encompassing ideology that required a massive dose of "faith"; spurious appeals to authority; the branding and persecution of "heretics"; killing perceived enemies of the faith/state, etc.).

Name one atheist who killed in the name of atheism. Name one secular humanist who killed in the name of secular humanism.

[Jacob(smooth)]

If you look Nineteen, I DID ask you about a verse in the quaran, back in post 37. Did you perchance fail to spot that one or did you not wish to comment on it.

I think you added this question subsequently by editing your post .

Didn't spot it then, Fair nuff.

I'm not very familier with your holy book, but perhaps you could explain to me the meaning of 002.193

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah"

You're not familier my holy book , so you're not familiar with my religion , but you can dare to judge my religion without having enough knowledge about it .

LOL, you asked me to provide a quote from the quaran! And if you look carefully I merely asked you to explain the meaning of something to me. Do all muslims respond so aggressively to requests for knowledge?

So you admit that you're completely behaving according to your feelings , you just dont like Islam and Muslims and this is enough reason to hate them .

Oh I admit I don't like Islam. Muslims I take on a case by case basis

But the fact that they've let off bombs in my capital city sort of predisposes me to not thing well of them. And the video I saw of a 12 year old boy beheading a bound prisoner whilst chanting praise allah, (or whatever it was) was a bit of a turn off too.

2:193 You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.


what kind of person would be uncomfortable due to this verse , oppresive and persecutor one .

I could easily understand these verses while I was 7-8 years old , but you cant understand . Actually you can understand , you just dont want to understand .

Now isn't that interesting. Your translation of that verse is very different to the one I found. Why is that? Are some of the translations more reliable than others. You must admit that :-

You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely

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is very different from

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah

Which translation is more accurate? I was under the impression that the qua'an referred to allah always by name and never simply as God.

Why is that? If you tell me which translation I should use then I shall know to avoid the misleading ones.