Christianity vs Gnostic Christianity

[themonkeyman]

So you created your own mythology out of pieces of the bible you agree with and SG1?

If you want to believe in something badly enough, you can find all the justifications to do so. And I think you do really want to believe in something for fear of death, but cannot accept Christianity as is because of hell, so you modelled whatever makes you feel good upon the basic ideas of Christianity because that's the only religion you've had experience believing in, if you modelled it after Islam it'd probably be really hard to believe in it.

So well. That's that I guess.

Actually you are wrong in your own opinion. I am not believing in Mythology there is no doubt that Jesus existed so why are we writing off the fact that he could have provided us with some understanding of the world that we humans cannot.

Lets face it Jesus could well be an Alien for all we know - The Universe is large is this really outside of the realm of possibility. I Do not accept Christianity as is because it never sat right with me. It made little to no sense this way I can enjoy studying and reading the bible and picking at its holes while all the while finding truth.

We do know that before the big bang there was 'Energy' but no one knows where it came from or how it was created. The odd thing is that energy somehow formed matter.

Now many people can pull the -What if your wrong card but the way I see it is that Christianity is the only known religion that supports an eternal hell. Perhaps its because it is more modern in comparison to Zoroastrianism but in my opinion better to choose the 'Only' religion that threatens hell than all the others that teach destruction... Eventually!

I am not saying I have all the answers heck I dont and I am not saying I can prove or disprove God but what I am saying is a bunch of people in the early days believed Knowledge is the way forward and I believe that too. As an Engineer and Software Developer Knowledge is a key feature in my life and having 'Faith' does not sit correctly.

Maybe through my knowledge i will find its all false or maybe I will find a new enlightenment but for now I say its a new and exciting world.

Say what you want about God but do you not wonder why some really strange things just happen. I am more spiritual now than theological.

[Minimalist]

Your in luck monkey, I just provided a complete exegesis of that passage in John 10 you were concerned about, for someone else.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-22398-page-9.html
Post 84.

I can only assume that it is more of your usual drivel, Drippy. It seems to be all you are capable of.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to split your posts up and reply to it bit by bit, I know that's annoying, but there really are so many things in here.

So you created your own mythology out of pieces of the bible you agree with and SG1?

If you want to believe in something badly enough, you can find all the justifications to do so. And I think you do really want to believe in something for fear of death, but cannot accept Christianity as is because of hell, so you modelled whatever makes you feel good upon the basic ideas of Christianity because that's the only religion you've had experience believing in, if you modelled it after Islam it'd probably be really hard to believe in it.

So well. That's that I guess.

Actually you are wrong in your own opinion. I am not believing in Mythology there is no doubt that Jesus existed so why are we writing off the fact that he could have provided us with some understanding of the world that we humans cannot.

There is NO definitive proof that Jesus existed. And even if you could find someone that matched up to Jesus's lineage, you cannot be sure that jesus did all the things he did in the bible, and even if he did, he's more likely a skilled magician and conman than the son of god. Every human being has the capacity to add to the understanding of the world, you being an engineer should appreciate that, that does not make one a god. And let's go back to the beginning, where we don't even know that jesus existed, and I'm not sure what kinds of knowledge you're alluding to, since all of jesus's teachings have more or less been taught elsewhere in other parts of the world by other people.

Lets face it Jesus could well be an Alien for all we know - The Universe is large is this really outside of the realm of possibility. I Do not accept Christianity as is because it never sat right with me. It made little to no sense this way I can enjoy studying and reading the bible and picking at its holes while all the while finding truth.

Jesus is the product of Christianity. Saying christianity doesn't "feel right" doesn't make it untrue, I could throw your own argument back at you: is it really outside the realm of possibilities? (Now you see why that is a lousy argument, because it can be said of every single thing you can possibly conjure out of thin air.) As for Jesus's existence, it's unproven or the christians would parade it everywhere, trust me.

We do know that before the big bang there was 'Energy' but no one knows where it came from or how it was created. The odd thing is that energy somehow formed matter.

ok.

Now many people can pull the -What if your wrong card but the way I see it is that Christianity is the only known religion that supports an eternal hell. Perhaps its because it is more modern in comparison to Zoroastrianism but in my opinion better to choose the 'Only' religion that threatens hell than all the others that teach destruction... Eventually!

I don't understand, you just said christianity doesn't make sense because of the bible and you reject it but now you're saying you picked christianity because of pascal's wager?

I am not saying I have all the answers heck I dont and I am not saying I can prove or disprove God but what I am saying is a bunch of people in the early days believed Knowledge is the way forward and I believe that too. As an Engineer and Software Developer Knowledge is a key feature in my life and having 'Faith' does not sit correctly.

Maybe through my knowledge i will find its all false or maybe I will find a new enlightenment but for now I say its a new and exciting world.

Say what you want about God but do you not wonder why some really strange things just happen. I am more spiritual now than theological.

Ok again I'm confused. You're advocating your faith by saying it's a quest for knowledge? But you professed that you think the church holds the key to eternal life. This is certainly faith on your part as there is no way to know if any of them even acquired "eternal life" after reading all these texts. As for wisdom, it is also faith to think that Christianity holds more wisdom than other schools of thought, of which there are plenty, when christianity has been foolish in many of the things they've done in the past. Their history doesn't scream wisdom, it screams barbarism.

Do I wonder if strange things happen? I'm in the sciences, that's basically going to be future occupation. But asking the questions and seeking answers is definitely different from assuming what the answers are or picking favourites before you even searched. The latter will not lead you to knowledge, you've sabotaged yourself before you've even began.