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Stereotyping Christians
#21
RE: Stereotyping Christians
But this is love leading to hate Synack
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#22
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(November 19, 2009 at 6:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: But this is love leading to hate Synack

Love thrives on respect. What I see lacks it - it reminds me of a creepy scene in a movie I once saw - while the stalker is stabbing one of his victims to death, he professes how much he loves her. I wish I could recall the name, but the creepiness remains constant.

If your love needs to destroy someone for who or what they are, maybe you need to look up the definition of love again.
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#23
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Sounds like a familiar movie, but I also don't recall the name.

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#24
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(November 18, 2009 at 3:39 pm)Saerules Wrote: But most Christians do in fact hold similar beliefs (anti-homosexual, anti-abortion, etc.) because of their religion.
I disagree. About 78% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Let issues such as gay marriage and abortion are roughly split 50/50, with regional variances. You'd be hard pressed to find any nation-wide poll regarding approval of abortion or homosexuality that swings anywhere near 78% against.

There is an immense silent demographic of American Christians who really don't have anything against homosexuality or abortion.

I agree that a majority of anti-gay and anti-abortion sentiment comes from Christianity, but I don't think it's fair to say a vast majority of Christians hold those views.
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RE: Stereotyping Christians
(November 20, 2009 at 1:15 pm)Meatball Wrote:
(November 18, 2009 at 3:39 pm)Saerules Wrote: But most Christians do in fact hold similar beliefs (anti-homosexual, anti-abortion, etc.) because of their religion.
I disagree. About 78% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Let issues such as gay marriage and abortion are roughly split 50/50, with regional variances. You'd be hard pressed to find any nation-wide poll regarding approval of abortion or homosexuality that swings anywhere near 78% against.

There is an immense silent demographic of American Christians who really don't have anything against homosexuality or abortion.

I agree that a majority of anti-gay and anti-abortion sentiment comes from Christianity, but I don't think it's fair to say a vast majority of Christians hold those views.

The thing about that possibly large silent group: is that they are usually silent. Undecided

I agree that not all Christians are against homosexuality/abortion/etc.... but I think that the majority of christians certainly are.
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(November 19, 2009 at 9:33 pm)Synackaon Wrote:
(November 19, 2009 at 6:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: But this is love leading to hate Synack

Love thrives on respect. What I see lacks it - it reminds me of a creepy scene in a movie I once saw - while the stalker is stabbing one of his victims to death, he professes how much he loves her. I wish I could recall the name, but the creepiness remains constant.

If your love needs to destroy someone for who or what they are, maybe you need to look up the definition of love again.

To me it proves your premise to be nonsense.. because love doesn't produce hate. I would agree with you that disrespect does not equal love, and I certainly wouldn't condone it or consider it Christ like.
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(November 20, 2009 at 4:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(November 19, 2009 at 9:33 pm)Synackaon Wrote:
(November 19, 2009 at 6:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: But this is love leading to hate Synack

Love thrives on respect. What I see lacks it - it reminds me of a creepy scene in a movie I once saw - while the stalker is stabbing one of his victims to death, he professes how much he loves her. I wish I could recall the name, but the creepiness remains constant.

If your love needs to destroy someone for who or what they are, maybe you need to look up the definition of love again.

To me it proves your premise to be nonsense.. because love doesn't produce hate. I would agree with you that disrespect does not equal love, and I certainly wouldn't condone it or consider it Christ like.

I think that love and hate are two sdes of the same coin.
As any divorced people will tell you.
Strong enmotions can lead to extreme actions that aren't always rational.

As for christ like, he had a shit fit in the temple that one time.

Seemed like a bizare thing to set him off, in a time when there was slavery, capital punishment and torture he had a go at retail enterprise.



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#28
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There's nothing wrong with getting angry. The Jews were imposing a class system in the name of God. Dependent on your physical health, sex, class and wealth you got to get closer to God

(You've heard of the concentric divisions of the temple of Jerusalem.. the paupers gate, gentile gate, beautiful (women's) gate, jewish gate, court of priests, and finally the holy of holies.. you had to pay in temple money which you exchanged real money to pay for sanctified animals to sacrifice to God who was thought to occupy the holy of holies at the centre of the temple who only 1 priest got to visit once a year.)

So you see he was delivering a death blow to exactly those things you stated.
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#29
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fr0d0, since you clearly believe in this particular fantasic moral narrative of Jesus from the NT, do you also believe that he cast out demons from people on regular occurances.

Such as the account in 3 gospels of him in Gadarenes casting out the demons from two men into nearby pigs, who then willingly drown themselves.

If so, do you believe that people still get possesed by evil spirits?
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#30
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Yes. An interesting question amw although I have no idea what it has with the subject or the flow of conversation. The story I related above is entirely practical and without any supernatural implications. I'm not a bible literalist.
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