God healing the amputee and other world problems

[Chad32]

Steve Shives started doing one of his "reading a christian book from an atheist's perspective", and mentioned how when people suffer, they just need faith that they'll come out of it stronger. Except that Yahweh never comes down and reassures people in the process that they will be stronger through suffering, and indeed some people are destroyed by suffering instead of being molded into something greater. I'm sure that some christians will say that they pray and get reassurance and answers, yet not everyone does, and such reassurance isn't always clear about what the end goal is.

Those darned mysterious ways that are incomprehensible. If he is so mysterious and incomprehensible, what is there to make him trustworthy? He supposedly rewards you in the afterlife, but we have no connection to the afterlife from here.

[xr34p3rx]

If it happens, send me a picture of before and after.

You are aware that there are easier ways to get amputee porn to fap to than this forum, right..?

haha if you say so, i didnt have that in mind, but good idea!

---

Many christians will say that you shouldn't test Yahweh, but I'm pretty sure there's a verse in the bible that says you can ask him for something, and expect to get it.

there's lots of contradictions in the bible of god changing his mind on things. its not a reliable source to base our life upon if its inconsistent with its arguments. but yea, Christians would say that

---

Hallelujah I'm healed!



Oh, what's that I'm still blind.

but he works in mysterious ways... reminds me of DarkMatter2525's video of the answer to everything

---

Ok Christians, i have a challenge for yall today!

If your god exists, cut your arm off and pray to him asking for a new arm

If it happens, send me a picture of before and after.

after all we have modern science to put it back on right? and if not, you have your god to heal you, isnt that right? What is there to lose?

This is not a challenge that requires God. Photoshop will do it just as well.

meh, its a good test though, i mean it would be a lie for a Christian to send me a fake pic right? thou shall not lie! or burn forever=Love=wtf?

---

Ta-dah!

haha DarkMatter2525 The answer to everything

[xr34p3rx]

Steve Shives started doing one of his "reading a christian book from an atheist's perspective", and mentioned how when people suffer, they just need faith that they'll come out of it stronger. Except that Yahweh never comes down and reassures people in the process that they will be stronger through suffering, and indeed some people are destroyed by suffering instead of being molded into something greater. I'm sure that some christians will say that they pray and get reassurance and answers, yet not everyone does, and such reassurance isn't always clear about what the end goal is.

Those darned mysterious ways that are incomprehensible. If he is so mysterious and incomprehensible, what is there to make him trustworthy? He supposedly rewards you in the afterlife, but we have no connection to the afterlife from here.

What I say about the prayer and revelations from his is that if all pastors claim to worship the same good. All of them would be revealed the exact same thing and there would be no disagreements about what is a true Christian and stuff. But no, they know the true God...

[Chad32]

Yeah, the fact that there are so many denominations of christianity should be good evidence that no one has a personal relationship with Jesus.

[Kayenneh]

haha if you say so, i didnt have that in mind, but good idea!

Oh dear, I have given him(?) ideas..

haha DarkMatter2525 The answer to everything

Well, perhaps not everything, but a lot

[Drich]

Ok Christians, i have a challenge for yall today!

If your god exists, cut your arm off and pray to him asking for a new arm

If it happens, send me a picture of before and after.

after all we have modern science to put it back on right? and if not, you have your god to heal you, isnt that right? What is there to lose?
[img]http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000739523/polls_ojsimpson_3811_745663_answer_4_xlarge.

You do know the difference between petition and prayer correct? Prayers always get a favoriable answer, petitions do not. Praying for a mirical is not actually praying it is a petition.

[Chad32]

You mean if you pray for something, and something good comes of it, it's prayer, but if nothing good happens, it's a petition? But both are made the same way. You're asking the invisible man to do something for you. This sounds like the no true scotsman's fallacy. It wasn't a true prayer unless something good happened.

[Drich]

You mean if you pray for something, and something good comes of it, it's prayer, but if nothing good happens, it's a petition? But both are made the same way. You're asking the invisible man to do something for you. This sounds like the no true scotsman's fallacy. It wasn't a true prayer unless something good happened.

no.

Prayer (per the only example of prayer we are given by Christ) is Acknoweledging God's power and authority, Asking God's will to rule our lives/for his want and will to come first, Asking for our basic needs, Asking for giveness of our sin if we can for give others, and to keep us from evil.

Everything else is considered petition.

[Chad32]

Wouldn't that just make it harder for people to join the group. Yahweh supposedly wants us all to come to him, but he's unwilling to actually do something for people outside the group to show he actually exists? Taking people's word for it, being testimony about prayers or words in a book, is just not convincing unless you actually grew up with it as a child. And children can be convinced of pretty much anything if you keep repeating something often enough. Or if you're in some other vulnerable state, like being a drug/alcohol addict, or are going to die soon.

[Drich]

Wouldn't that just make it harder for people to join the group. Yahweh supposedly wants us all to come to him, but he's unwilling to actually do something for people outside the group to show he actually exists?

Jesus tells us the evidence of God is not found without, but with in. He said all we need is the faith of a mustard seed and we will be able to move and obsticals even mountains of doubt.

Taking people's word for it, being testimony about prayers or words in a book, is just not convincing unless you actually grew up with it as a child. And children can be convinced of pretty much anything if you keep repeating something often enough. Or if you're in some other vulnerable state, like being a drug/alcohol addict, or are going to die soon.

Actually everyone you just mentioned has something else in common given their situation or state. They all have access to that mustard seeds worth of faith.

Apart of what we are told to pray for in Luke 11 is the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that brings the proof the moves mountains of doubt. But, again only if you have enough faith to simply A/S/K as we have been told.