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Do Christians actually want evidence?
#11
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
I do not have to prove he doesn't exist. Evaluating the silly positions of people like Drippy convinces me that all religion is bullshit from the word "go."
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#12
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Rigor Mortis Wrote: at the end of the day, you can't prove god doesn't exist, so, therefore, your argument is invalid.
ROFLOL
You don't have to prove a negative. The burden of roof is on the person making the positive claim.
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#13
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 14, 2014 at 4:00 pm)FreeTony Wrote:
(January 14, 2014 at 3:11 pm)Drich Wrote: 3)God is real and will provide whatever is needed to establish and maintain 'belief' IF one simply can humble himself to approach God on His terms and not our own.

So all the ex Christians/Pastors were doing it correctly for many years, then God decided to pull the plug?
What about me as a christian terrified of hell desperately praying for god to strengthen my faith and make a better Christian?

(January 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 14, 2014 at 4:00 pm)FreeTony Wrote: So all the ex Christians/Pastors were doing it correctly for many years, then God decided to pull the plug?

why do you assume God pulled the plug?
Because instead of helping these people he chose for them to burn in hell instead.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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#14
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm)KUSA Wrote: How does staying hidden the only way to prevent the loss of free will?
When I was a child I saw my parents and had free will at the same time. My free will got me in trouble a lot.
How is it any different with a god? I would still have free will if he was standing in front of me.

Only if you were so unlucky to live in Palestine around 5 B.C.- 30 A.D. did God figure out he could reveal himself and still allow people to have their freedom. Oh, and if you have ever witnessed a miracle (which, conveniently and/or suspiciously, only believers seem to witness). Other than that, God must stay hidden to maintain our "free will"!

Dirch's argument: "If evidence actually supported my beliefs, you would discredit them anyway. Therefore, evidence isn't really important."
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#15
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Rigor Mortis Wrote: at the end of the day, you can't prove god doesn't exist, so, therefore, your argument is invalid.

I choose not to believe in things there are no evidence for.
Others it seems are not so picky.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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#16
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 14, 2014 at 5:38 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(January 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Rigor Mortis Wrote: at the end of the day, you can't prove god doesn't exist, so, therefore, your argument is invalid.

I choose not to believe in things there are no evidence for.
Others it seems are not so picky.

If Rigor Mortis's own mother could not even convince him to stop writing Father Christmas every December, who are we to try to persuade him?
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#17
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Drich Wrote: why do you assume God pulled the plug?

Because you said it is God that is providing the evidence to the persons brain, once they ask for it.

Also once provided with this evidence from God, these ex Christians still go on to disbelieve. This can't be very good evidence that God is providing. What is more God should know that the evidence he is providing isn't very good and that the person will go on to disbelieve, so he has the choice to make it better. He does not in these cases.

I'm only a human and I can demonstrate my existence to anyone I want and they are incredibly unlikey to refute it. If they were going to hell for not believing in me, I'd put even more effort in. God is supposedly far more powerful than me, so should be even better at it.
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#18
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
i know god exists because theres no possible way a universe can come from nothing. if you say the universe has always been here, i will call you illogical. god is real, and i believe he is the reason for the season
Same sex divorce should be outlawed. #StopTheGays
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#19
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 14, 2014 at 6:37 pm)Rigor Mortis Wrote: i know god exists because theres no possible way a universe can come from nothing. if you say the universe has always been here, i will call you illogical. god is real, and i believe he is the reason for the season

Where did god come from? Why can't matter and energy exist eternally by some unknown properties, by unknown laws, which may be the case if there are multiple universes? This seems at least as reasonable as god, except your "hypothesis" has no predictability value whereas theoretical physicists are constantly making progress by testing their theorems in the real world.
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#20
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
"You can't prove God exists" is the response of a person too dishonest or cowardly to admit that he/she cannot prove that he does.

"You have to approach God on his terms" is the response of someone too dishonest or cowardly to admit that they suffer from terminal confirmation bias.
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