Why your exsistence is more worthless than you previousy thought it was.

[Mudhammam]

Our universe is rationally comprehensible to us because that's the language our brains evolved to percieve it. Why does the Universe need a Creator and the Creator doesn't?

[Sword of Christ]

Our universe is rationally comprehensible to us because that's the language our brains evolved to percieve it.

Our brains only needed to evolve in order to survive within our specific ecological niche so they didn't need to understand anything about the universe. The reason the universe is rationally understandable to us is because it was created by rational mind such as ours, though the mind in question is on an infinite scale. It's the reason why we have science and all the rest of it because we can understand and harness the universe around us to our own purposes, in a sense we're micro/small gods ourselves.

"For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods" Genesis 3:5

Why does the Universe need a Creator and the Creator doesn't?

You will need a starting point for everything that exists and the starting point can't be something that itself started so you will be looking at something eternal and unlimited, without boundaries or limitations that will provide the context for everything to exist within. The structure and fine tuning implies purposeful creation and therefore intelligence. So you can use deductive reasoning to arrive at this conclusion.

[Ryantology]

Our brains only needed to evolve in order to survive within our specific ecological niche so they didn't need to understand anything about the universe.

You assume that brains evolved towards understanding the universe as a result, rather than it being the side effect of high cognition it almost certainly is.

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You will need a starting point for everything that exists and the starting point can't be something that itself started so you will be looking at something eternal and unlimited, without boundaries or limitations that will provide the context for everything to exist within. The structure and fine tuning implies purposeful creation and therefore intelligence. So you can use deductive reasoning to arrive at this conclusion.

And your solution to the problem is to invent a god and assert, with absolutely no justification at all, that he is an uncaused cause.

Any justification for God being an uncaused cause applies even better to the universe.

[Esquilax]

Our brains only needed to evolve in order to survive within our specific ecological niche so they didn't need to understand anything about the universe. The reason the universe is rationally understandable to us is because it was created by rational mind such as ours, though the mind in question is on an infinite scale. It's the reason why we have science and all the rest of it because we can understand and harness the universe around us to our own purposes, in a sense we're micro/small gods ourselves.

You're begging the question: first you need to demonstrate how a universe that's conducive to life and pattern recognition was the "goal" of the universe, and not just the way it randomly shook down.

See, you say that all this is evidence of fine tuning, but that's only true if we begin by assuming that the universe as it is was the "correct" universe, such that without fine tuning it'd be more probably that another, "incorrect" universe would be the result. That's literally the only way you could recognize fine tuning, and yet you haven't even bothered demonstrating that.

Say the universe was different, and we couldn't exist here; how do you intend to show that anyone would even notice?

You will need a starting point for everything that exists and the starting point can't be something that itself started so you will be looking at something eternal and unlimited, without boundaries or limitations that will provide the context for everything to exist within. The structure and fine tuning implies purposeful creation and therefore intelligence. So you can use deductive reasoning to arrive at this conclusion.

Kalam is lame, and you're lame for using it, but I'll just ask, since you already believe in things happening without a cause, what's your justification for ignoring the possibility that the universe itself just doesn't have one?

[Mothonis]

Absolutely. I prefer the option that doesn't involve throwing myself a pity party because the Universe isn't exactly how I would prefer it to be.

The universe would be exactly the same either way though there's clearly a lot of fine tuning and complexity of structure and everything balanced on a knife edge to allow complex organic forms to generate themselves on suitable balls of rock. All this if you're going to think logically about it suggests a purpose made creation, purpose implies intelligence therefore a purposeful creator, pure logic. You just have to go where all the evidence takes you regardless of what you would ideally like.

It also doesn't involve telling myself stories and believing they're true simply for the purpose of making myself feel better. So what your alternatives?

You don't need any stories to figure out the cause of the universe it's fairly self explanatory, though will need some revelation to know anything about this purposeful creator intelligence. I could provide you with some.

Yes the inteligant creator Sithis.the evidence for his existance is the fine tuning of the universe

[The Valkyrie]

We as organic lifeforms will cease to function. We will die and lose our consciousness, and then we shall reemerge ourselves into the state of darkness and nothingness we were experiencing(or not experiencing) an infinite amount of foreseeable time prior before we were.

Consciousness isn't something you have that you can lose your body is what you have you can lose so you have that the wrong around, even assuming materialism. And literal non-existence wouldn't be darkness as if you could perceive darkness then you must exist to perceive it.

The actions we perform during our life, as well as the thoughts, are universally pointless.

They would be if atheism/materialism is true.





There are other alternatives though.

We won't be able to look upon them or contemplate them.

It wouldn't really ruin your day if you didn't exist.

Amazing video since most atheists are far happier since giving up superstition.

[Chad32]

The guy in the video mentions five different worldviews, but I'm surious about what separates christianity from theism.

You may not believe in a god. You may believe a god created the universe and just sat back to watch what happened, you may believe the universe is god, and you may believe in a deity that you should worship and wants to be worshiped. Does that cover pretty much everything?

[EvolutionKills]

We as organic lifeforms will cease to function. We will die and lose our consciousness, and then we shall reemerge ourselves into the state of darkness and nothingness we were experiencing(or not experiencing) an infinite amount of foreseeable time prior before we were. The actions we perform during our life, as well as the thoughts, are universally pointless. We'll have no recollection or feeling of said actions or thoughts after death. We won't be able to look upon them or contemplate them. The memory's of your actions, feelings, and emotions will never come into play again, nor will you care if they do, because you are factually nothing. It's quite identical as if life never occurred for any organic to begin with. We as organics all share something, equality in prenatal, and equality in death; being able to do nothing, and being nothing. ( more specific you'll still be energy of some sort, disassociation of matter, etc.)

'Meaning' and 'purpose' are relative. Given what we now know about the age, size, composition, and indeed the very nature of our universe; our lives can appear to be insignificant on the scale of the universe. The universe is entirely indifferent to us, as you could remove not only us but also all of the visible matter (every star, planet, nebula, and galaxy) in the universe and the universe would be largely unchanged. So it's all about scope and perspective. Chances are good your decisions have very little, if any, impact or meaning to those living on the other side of the planet. But what you do in life does have an affect on those around you, both living and those yet born; and so they are decidedly not 'meaningless' or 'inconsequential'. But that does not mean that you cannot give your own life meaning and purpose. Find meaning wherever you can, be it in the raising of your children, the teaching of students, helping your neighbors, or expanding your own intellectual horizons; you can give your own life meaning and purpose, and to see it reflected back in others.

How liberating it is to be more than just a puppet, a cosmic marionette dancing to a purpose someone or something else dictated for us without our consent!

[Tonus]

The universe would be exactly the same either way though there's clearly a lot of fine tuning and complexity of structure and everything balanced on a knife edge to allow complex organic forms to generate themselves on suitable balls of rock. All this if you're going to think logically about it suggests a purpose made creation,

On the contrary. A universe that is carefully tuned yet capable of only producing life sparingly and in circumstances that are nowhere near ideal does not indicate a creator with a purpose, unless that purpose is to amuse himself at the expense of his creation. It could indicate a bumbling creator who learned much from his experiment and is currently off working on Universe 2.0 in the hopes of creating that ideal universe before he runs out of investor dollars.

[Sword of Christ]

Amazing video since most atheists are far happier since giving up superstition.

Happiness based on trivial things that don't matter and on things that are going to be taken from you eventually. And this is only if your life goes well if it doesn't then what he said is going to apply, you have depression, drugs, and suicide.