What deism has done for the world

[Chad32]

Just discovering that there are germs that cause disease, and making medicines to counteract this. The bible doesn't talk about germs. It talks about demons. So you have exorcisms and attempts at praying away sickness.

Religion is very harmful to society, and christians are sometimes told that this life isn't important. Be in the world, but not of it. They focus on the afterlife that they can't prove is real, instead of this life that they experience every day.

Yes there are good christians that help people, but that's either by ignoring parts of the bible that don't suit a modern world, or by taking passages like love thy neighbor and treat people equally that should be basic common sense that every culture can learn without a bible in their hands.

You have priests molesting children because their book tells them sex and masturbation is bad, and priests can't get married. If priests were allowed to marry, and masturbate, I guarantee you that we wouldn't have nearly as many stories about them molesting boys, and when it happens they would be excommunicated.

Honestly I find it hard to think of some part of christianity that's actually good for children or anyone else, aside from the most basic commandments for empathy or this afterlife that can't be proven to exist.

[Minimalist]

Deism gave us the Declaration of Independance and the Declaration of the Rights of Man.

Infinitely superior to the jesus freak motherfuckers and their divine right of kings.

In all fairness, I'm pretty sure that Jesus wasn't the one who established the divine right of kings. I'm pretty sure kings did that.

I don't hold xtianity against any "jesus." There is no evidence that any such person ever existed. Xtianity, however, was cobbled together over the course of centuries as the perfect doctrine for rulers to dominate the masses.

[DeistPaladin]

[DeistPaladin]

[max-greece]

Just discovering that there are germs that cause disease, and making medicines to counteract this. The bible doesn't talk about germs. It talks about demons. So you have exorcisms and attempts at praying away sickness.

Religion is very harmful to society, and christians are sometimes told that this life isn't important. Be in the world, but not of it. They focus on the afterlife that they can't prove is real, instead of this life that they experience every day.

Yes there are good christians that help people, but that's either by ignoring parts of the bible that don't suit a modern world, or by taking passages like love thy neighbor and treat people equally that should be basic common sense that every culture can learn without a bible in their hands.

You have priests molesting children because their book tells them sex and masturbation is bad, and priests can't get married. If priests were allowed to marry, and masturbate, I guarantee you that we wouldn't have nearly as many stories about them molesting boys, and when it happens they would be excommunicated.

Honestly I find it hard to think of some part of christianity that's actually good for children or anyone else, aside from the most basic commandments for empathy or this afterlife that can't be proven to exist.

Just to follow up on the child molesting my problem isn't merely that Christianity has rules that might lead to it. The unforgivable crime of the catholic church was to cover it up. They knew about pedophile priests but instead of exposing them, casting them out or at the very least moving them into positions where they didn't have access to children they moved them from one parish to another ensuring a steady supply of unsuspecting victims.

That these victims should be taken from their own"flock" is simply beyond comprehension. This is what Christians do for the children, but it doesn't stop there.

The words of Jesus have been used for 2000 years to indoctrinate minds too young for critical thinking into a religion of double speak and total subjugation to an absolute dictator. Children have been terrified with stories of hell into pledging allegiance to their invisible father who loves them so much he will send them to hell should they fail to love Jesus. We have one of those poor unfortunates haunting the forums right now. This is what Christianity does for children, but it doesn't stop there.

Even today Christians are torturing children to death for being witches, that's today, in 2014. This is what Christianity does for children.

Sick children. Those suffering from mental illness or perhaps even epilepsy, what treatments does Christianity offer even today? Exorcism! In 2014! This is what Christianity does for children.

Then there is that wonderful doctrine of the catholic church that unbaptized babies that die go to purgatory till the end of time. What a wonderful way to torture berieved parents. Even the catholic church couldn't stomach that particular revulsion forever and had to rescind it. This is what Christianity does for children.

How many of these do we need exactly? I am reduced to typing this on a tablet and my finger is killing me.

When I get back to my PC I'll add some more.

[Cinjin]

This is the kind of evidence I am talking about. I am talking about men and women who refuse to talk about the problems of humanity and actually did something about them and lived in accordance with what Christ taught i.e. that we should love one another and take care of the orphan and the widow and the helpless.

You really think that if you continually remind people about the little bit of good that some christians do, that we'll forget about the beast behind the curtain? Christianity is not and has NEVER been a cure-all by any stretch of the imagination. Even the credit your religion gets for helping children is nullified by the fact that there is always an agenda behind it. It's extremely difficult to imprint adults. The malleable mind of a child can be taught to believe anything and therefore, makes them a target for the cult of jesus.

You insult the intelligence of everyone here by glossing over the atrocities of christians by using that tired cop-out, "they weren't TRUE christians." Well, if history has taught us anything it's that Christianity always speaks for itself and that cherry picking the tiny bit of sweet corn out of a turd does not make it any more edible.

[Minimalist]

“Give me the children until they are 7 and anyone may have them afterwards.”

Francis Xavier, Founder of the Jesuits

Now, of course, by the time they are 7 they are all fucked out by pervert priests.

[Cinjin]

[pocaracas]

For the Dis man, he wants me to offer what deists have done for the world, as opposed to Christianity's wonderful contributions.

Well, for starters...

Another red herring. For I specifically asked DeistPaladin to furnish us with what Deists have done for the Children of the world's nations.

You know that something that is positive for a population in a given area is also positive for the children in that population, right?

Improve conditions for life anywhere on the planet and you're helping children... Sometimes, that creates a whole problem in itself, like overpopulation, but I've heard some christians ignore overpopulation as if the planet was theirs to rule and use and some magical being will just keep it right for them...

[discipulus]

Just discovering that there are germs that cause disease, and making medicines to counteract this. The bible doesn't talk about germs. It talks about demons. So you have exorcisms and attempts at praying away sickness.

Religion is very harmful to society, and christians are sometimes told that this life isn't important. Be in the world, but not of it. They focus on the afterlife that they can't prove is real, instead of this life that they experience every day.

Yes there are good christians that help people, but that's either by ignoring parts of the bible that don't suit a modern world, or by taking passages like love thy neighbor and treat people equally that should be basic common sense that every culture can learn without a bible in their hands.

You have priests molesting children because their book tells them sex and masturbation is bad, and priests can't get married. If priests were allowed to marry, and masturbate, I guarantee you that we wouldn't have nearly as many stories about them molesting boys, and when it happens they would be excommunicated.

Honestly I find it hard to think of some part of christianity that's actually good for children or anyone else, aside from the most basic commandments for empathy or this afterlife that can't be proven to exist.

The Bible does not say sex is bad so that is demonstrably incorrect.

Nor does the bible specifically speak to the issue of masterbation. The bible condemns lustful acts and warns that allowing lust to consume you can only ultimately end up hurting you. This is not controversial unless you feel that acting upon lust is somehow beneficial. A position I have yet to see rationally defended.

Your arguments are very weak and betray an ignorance either willfull or unwillful of what the bible says.