Why I Believe Atheists are Going to Hell

[*Deidre*]

where's hell?

[Zidneya]

where's hell?

Here.

[Minimalist]

[MJ the Skeptical]

We only have evidence for causation from something. Some atheists claim outside the universe doesn't abide in the cause and effect inside of the universe, but if that were true then the universe would never come into existence. Of course God can created from outside of time and space since God would transcend time and space. People say God can't create without time. Sure He can. He creates timelessly.

Where did you get the assumption that we have an example of nothing? 'nothing' literally doesn't exist. And this assumption that things can live outside a universe is absurd. Timelessness is nonsensical.

I don't understand how anyone could be an atheist other than total mindless belligerent obstinacy,

Sounds like a lack of imagination on your part, especially since it's more logical to be an atheist than any brand of theism/deism.

because obviously, that which does not exist can't cause anything so the universe can't come from nothing.

Quantum physics, young grasshopper.

The only other approach I have ever seen atheists attempt is to claim the universe always existed in an infinite regress of cause and effects; but of course, that's false, because if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now so you should have already happened, having had an eternity to do so. It gets even doubly worse for the atheist, because if a past eternity was true, then you should never have existed because that past eternity would go on for eternity never reaching this point. Therefore, infinite regress is a man made delusion.

The cyclical universe model has far more evidence than 'god dun did it.' And this brings up a contradiction of god being an infinite being, all living things we know about came from simple beginnings, you have no evidence that supernatural beings exist, that was a wild guess from the bronze ages. The Evidence leads towards beings coming about naturally through many processes.

The reason I believe this is because I can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings.

Oh, that ones easy, eyewitness testimony is flawed and can't serve as substantial evidence.

Group hallucinations are medically impossible - people never hallucinate the same thing.

Yes they do get reported. Group hallucination has happened plenty of times with alien abduction stories.

People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie so the Apostles truly believed it

They would die for lies and they did die or lies.

that is, they did not fraudulently make up their eyewitness testimony.

They could have just been mistaken/hallucinated/misinterpreted what happened. You realize people thought all sorts of things about all the natural events. Don't even go down that road, it will make your religion look even more wrong than it is.

I believe a sinner is eternally separated from God because God can't have fellowship with sin.

You're an immoral prick blaming the behaviors of the slave-master onto it's slaves.

Therefore, God the Son mercifully enters His creation to pay the penalty and ransom for sin so that whoever believeth in Him shall not perish but receive everlasting life.

Therefore? hahah you'd have to prove there's a god first before you make such assertions. Also, no evidence that you survive your death.

Those who do not receive what Jesus did for them to redeem them back to Him shall perish in a state of eternal conscious separation from God.

Yes, we've heard your bullshit carrot and stick theology before. The Burden of proof is on you to prove the thing before you can threaten us with an imaginary torture on a different plain of existence that your sadomasochistic god made to punish it's creations for making them the way he created them. What with omniscience and all, he knows everything that will happen. Free will is out the window with omniscience.

The closest thing I can think of what Hell will be like for Muslims, Atheists, JW's, 7th Day Adventists, Mormons, Calvinists, Roman Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus, Scientologists, other Gnostics, Deists and Agnostics, etc. is simply jail.

Close. Jail is the only real hell there is. This life can be heaven or it can be hell, but this plain of existence is all we've got.

We throw people in jail for life so for those who reject Jesus who He truly is, the 2nd Person of the Trinity

Funny since the vast majority of people in prison in the U.S. are Christians.

must be eternally separated from those God loves, His elect, sons and daughters, namely Christians and saints from the OT. That would be very unloving of God to allow someone who rejects and despises God to be able to interact with a person who is regenerated, has the Holy Spirit indwelling and eternal blessings, for there is no sin in the New City and New Earth.

Sounds like an asshole god that doesn't give a damn about you if its willing to torture you forever for a finite crime of not believing. Even if you save billions of people it's down to hell with ya because I created evil in the 1st place to set up your failure.

Since there is no resurrection accounts (notice you are unable to find any sources in antiquity) except Jesus claiming to be God

Uh yes there are, do some history. Horus came to my mind immediately.

He is the One and Only. For the atonement to be authentic, the Atoner must come in our likeness, the likeness of flesh, and that's what Jesus does as a perfect sacrifice for sins. When Jesus returns to reign on earth for 1000 years as the Son of Man, He will defeat the evil nations, and His overcomer believers will reign on earth over the nations for 1000 years before the New City and New Earth commence into eternity future.

If he sacrificed himself for our sins, why is there still sin? I guess he died for nothing.

That's why I believe what I believe since I don't know how disprove it.

Do you go around believing everything that can't be disproved? Asinine. And it's an argument from Ignorance.

And there can be no greater proof. I can't even lose salvation, because I gave my life to the God who keeps:

So, you could rape and kill all you want and get into heaven but I don't because I didn't suck Jesus' cock? get the fuck out.

those who are born-again "they shall never perish" (John 10.28). Just ask yourself what proof could be better, and you will come up empty handed. You might claim you would believe if Jesus came before you now, but that contradicts His claim when He returns everyone will know it, and why would you even believe it who selfishly comes before you and not others. Why does the universe center around you?

Nah, I was born right the first time. I don't think the universe revolves around me, but you must think that as a theist. You think a magic man made it for you. I think a chain of cosmological events happened.

[*Deidre*]

where's hell?

Here.

That's fantastic!

[Zidneya]

Here.

That's fantastic!

Part of me wants to buy a house there but let's be realistic. The last thing Christians need to know is that there is an Atheist living on hell street. We will never hear the end of it.


Nevertheless…..I could go to the Town hall and ask them to assign my new house the 666 number on front. That would be making things worse BUT IT WOULD BE THE IRONY OF IRONIES

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Hmmmm... I wonder how they spend the Halloween on Hell street.

[LastPoet]

Around here numbers are assigned to houses, even to the right, odd to the left IIRC. It would be cool to have 3.14159.... as door number :p

It would be ironic, yes, as 666 is really just a number that idiots assign a special meaning.