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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 24, 2014 at 9:32 pm
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In response to MM,
I believe it was Paul who clarified the unforgivable sin.
One must have tasted the Heavenly Gift (Christ) and experienced the powers of the time to come- that is the supernatural gifts of the Spirit, THEN, to come to consider the blood of Christ an ordinary thing and do despite to the Spirit of Truth.
This eliminates everyone I have observed here, and nearly everyone within what is called the Church.
It more closely parallels the decisions of Lucifer and his cohorts.
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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 25, 2014 at 11:27 am
But my question was for Christians to Reconcile two very conflicting messages.
E.g. Jesus spoke about the Unforgivable Sin 'Once' in his entire ministry! Yet spoke about belief in him to achieve eternal life both before and after this incident.
So what are we to believe, Perhaps Jesus being human made this off the cuff remark? Was it added by later church leaders? Was the Translation incorrect from Hebrew / Aramaic to the more advanced Greek?
It doesent make sense unless you can consider the Eternal Sin that can be committed but it does not affect your standing with God.
Jesus even said that its not against him or the father so I would have guessed the Penultimate would have been the father so what makes the HS So special?
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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 25, 2014 at 2:23 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 11:55 pm)Lek Wrote: We are led to believe in God by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. A person who has been shown and understands the truth, yet refuses to believe has sinned against the Holy Spirit. As long as a person continues to ignore the call of the Spirit, he cannot be forgiven.
Maybe the Holy Spirit isn't very good at his job, given that he can't overcome predictable demographics. The place where a person is born seems to have more to do with their religious beliefs than the effectiveness of the Holy Spirit.
That, or the Holy Spirit stays away from certain regions.
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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 25, 2014 at 4:11 pm
(April 24, 2014 at 9:32 pm)professor Wrote: One must have tasted the Heavenly Gift (Christ) and experienced the powers of the time to come- that is the supernatural gifts of the Spirit, THEN, to come to consider the blood of Christ an ordinary thing and do despite to the Spirit of Truth. There are any number of ways to interpret the bland, ambiguous mess that you posted above. Most of them quite ribald. 
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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 25, 2014 at 5:22 pm
MM,
On thing I consider, is that prior to Jesus fulfilling the pattern and prophecy of the sacrifice lambs in His own flesh - all His words were to Old Testament people who were under the law.
The New Covenant began some point after He declared, "It is finished".
Thus, there may have also been a change in the application of that red line of God that you are thinking about.
I don't know any other answer, maybe someone else does.
I do know there are testimonies of people who were just as filled with reviling as some here, and God pursued them and welcomed them to Himself just as relentlessly as those who had respect ,when they turned to Him also.
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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 25, 2014 at 5:36 pm
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(April 25, 2014 at 5:22 pm)professor Wrote: MM,
On thing I consider, is that prior to Jesus fulfilling the pattern and prophecy of the sacrifice lambs in His own flesh - all His words were to Old Testament people who were under the law.
The New Covenant began some point after He declared, "It is finished".
Thus, there may have also been a change in the application of that red line of God that you are thinking about.
I don't know any other answer, maybe someone else does.
I do know there are testimonies of people who were just as filled with reviling as some here, and God pursued them and welcomed them to Himself just as relentlessly as those who had respect ,when they turned to Him also.
There is no "NEW" covenant!! Its just a covenant (another contract) that was made... the covenant that was made with Abraham did not end when a covenant was made with moses... and so on... they are a still covenants that are not ended... You need to study a weee bit more..
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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 25, 2014 at 9:21 pm
The "blasphemy of the holy spirit is an unforgivable sin", is true.
And it is contradicting, because Jesus says all sins can be forgiven. However, there is a difference between a sinner being forgiven and one who is without sin, committing so great a sin.
Jesus says it would be better for them to not have been born, than to do this. Once having known truth, to turn and err against the Holy spirit, is unforgivable. And having known God, I cannot even fathom anyone wanting to do that because through the holy spirit is our direct communication with God. And there is nothing greater in this world than that, to know Him and to love Him in an intimate way. so this a very select and grievous sin I believe.
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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 25, 2014 at 10:50 pm
(April 25, 2014 at 9:21 pm)Bronwynn Wrote: The "blasphemy of the holy spirit is an unforgivable sin", is true.
And it is contradicting, because Jesus says all sins can be forgiven. However, there is a difference between a sinner being forgiven and one who is without sin, committing so great a sin.
Jesus says it would be better for them to not have been born, than to do this. Once having known truth, to turn and err against the Holy spirit, is unforgivable. And having known God, I cannot even fathom anyone wanting to do that because through the holy spirit is our direct communication with God. And there is nothing greater in this world than that, to know Him and to love Him in an intimate way. so this a very select and grievous sin I believe.
Come again?
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RE: Christians Please Reconcile this Statement
April 26, 2014 at 10:39 am
(April 22, 2014 at 12:53 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: Hi Folks,
I am wondering your Bible is giving me a very problematic view in that Jesus says two absolutely conflicting passages.
Quote:Mark 3:28–29
28 “aTruly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
29 but awhoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
Ok so there we go 'The Eternal Sin' but wait theres a problem here because Jesus also said....
Quote:
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Or how about
Quote:
John 11
25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;26and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
or even
Quote:John 3:36
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
So considering at several locations in the Bible Jesus spoke more about believing in him to be 'Saved' then how can one commit this sin? Or is it indeed possible (I think it is) to commit this sin but at the same time achieve eternal life?
Technically a Sin against the Holy Spirit which cannot be forgiven goes against the very teachings that tell us as humans to 'Forgive lest we forgive'?
Since Jesus does not continue to warn anywhere else in the Bible about this sin could it be possible that although someone can commit it - It will fall upon Jesus through his blood thus rendering Jesus accountable for this sin?
or perhaps
Committing this sin will not affect ones standing before God as Jesus has already promised eternal life to him who believes. Therefore you bypass Judgement and enter into eternal life with an eternal sin?
That is why many believe that blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is to not accept salvation offered.
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