Christians Please Reconcile this Statement

[themonkeyman]

Hi Folks,

I am wondering your Bible is giving me a very problematic view in that Jesus says two absolutely conflicting passages.

Mark 3:28–29
28 “aTruly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
29 but awhoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—

Ok so there we go 'The Eternal Sin' but wait theres a problem here because Jesus also said....

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Or how about

John 11

25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;26and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

or even

John 3:36
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

So considering at several locations in the Bible Jesus spoke more about believing in him to be 'Saved' then how can one commit this sin? Or is it indeed possible (I think it is) to commit this sin but at the same time achieve eternal life?

Technically a Sin against the Holy Spirit which cannot be forgiven goes against the very teachings that tell us as humans to 'Forgive lest we forgive'?

Since Jesus does not continue to warn anywhere else in the Bible about this sin could it be possible that although someone can commit it - It will fall upon Jesus through his blood thus rendering Jesus accountable for this sin?

or perhaps

Committing this sin will not affect ones standing before God as Jesus has already promised eternal life to him who believes. Therefore you bypass Judgement and enter into eternal life with an eternal sin?

[vorlon13]

I just figured that was one of those 'O'Brien' things (how many fingers am I holding up Winston?) and you have to sincerely and completely believe both at the same time for the 'Salvational' aspects to accrue.

I may be mistaken, however . . . .

[archangle]

Hi Folks,

I am wondering your Bible is giving me a very problematic view in that Jesus says two absolutely conflicting passages.

Mark 3:28–29
28 “aTruly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
29 but awhoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—

Ok so there we go 'The Eternal Sin' but wait theres a problem here because Jesus also said....

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Or how about

John 11

25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;26and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

or even

John 3:36
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

So considering at several locations in the Bible Jesus spoke more about believing in him to be 'Saved' then how can one commit this sin? Or is it indeed possible (I think it is) to commit this sin but at the same time achieve eternal life?

Technically a Sin against the Holy Spirit which cannot be forgiven goes against the very teachings that tell us as humans to 'Forgive lest we forgive'?

Since Jesus does not continue to warn anywhere else in the Bible about this sin could it be possible that although someone can commit it - It will fall upon Jesus through his blood thus rendering Jesus accountable for this sin?

or perhaps

Committing this sin will not affect ones standing before God as Jesus has already promised eternal life to him who believes. Therefore you bypass Judgement and enter into eternal life with an eternal sin?

lmao. its only a problem if you take it literaly or out of context.

you did both so it is double bad.

[Minimalist]

Oh, please, please, please, great Context Nazi...twist your nuts into a pretzel and tell us how to read such utter bullshit in the proper "context."

[Lek]

Oh, please, please, please, great Context Nazi...twist your nuts into a pretzel and tell us how to read such utter bullshit in the proper "context."

This is my interpretation of the unforgivable sin. We are led to believe in God by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. A person who has been shown and understands the truth, yet refuses to believe has sinned against the Holy Spirit. As long as a person continues to ignore the call of the Spirit, he cannot be forgiven.

[Whateverist]

Oh, please, please, please, great Context Nazi...twist your nuts into a pretzel and tell us how to read such utter bullshit in the proper "context."

This is my interpretation of the unforgivable sin. We are led to believe in God by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. A person who has been shown and understands the truth, yet refuses to believe has sinned against the Holy Spirit. As long as a person continues to ignore the call of the Spirit, he cannot be forgiven.

I'm going to hold you to that. I'm not seeking reconciliation. I say you and 'God' can go your way and those not seeking an eternal parent can get on with our adult lives.

As for the original post. I'm going to ask that titles of threads carry warnings or at least use hide quotes. Some of us have as severe reactions to seeing them as others do to seeing spiders. Yuck.

[Minimalist]

We are led to believe in God by the prompting of the Holy Spirit.

Oh, if only you had one fucking fact in any of your bullshit. You might be dangerous.

You remind me of this:

We have heard talk enough. We have listened to all the drowsy, idealess, vapid sermons that we wish to hear. We have read your Bible and the works of your best minds. We have heard your prayers, your solemn groans and your reverential amens. All these amount to less than nothing. We want one fact. We beg at the doors of your churches for just one little fact. We pass our hats along your pews and under your pulpits and implore you for just one fact. We know all about your mouldy wonders and your stale miracles. We want a this year's fact. We ask only one. Give us one fact for charity. Your miracles are too ancient. The witnesses have been dead for nearly two thousand years.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll,

[orangebox21]

Is your question that people who believe on Christ will commit the eternal sin?

If yes, what has led you to this conclusion: People who believe on Christ (and are thus forgiven) will commit the eternal sin (and are thus not forgiveable), versus concluding that people who believe on Christ (and are thus forgiven) will not commit the eternal sin (and thus are forgiveable)?

Isn't it logically consistent that people who believe on Christ wouldn't commit the eternal sin?

[themonkeyman]

Is your question that people who believe on Christ will commit the eternal sin?

If yes, what has led you to this conclusion: People who believe on Christ (and are thus forgiven) will commit the eternal sin (and are thus not forgiveable), versus concluding that people who believe on Christ (and are thus forgiven) will not commit the eternal sin (and thus are forgiveable)?

Isn't it logically consistent that people who believe on Christ wouldn't commit the eternal sin?

Actually what you have said is a Fallacy. Lets take for example a Christian who has been told that 'Demons' were making them feel like a sinner.

Yet other people they ask say its the 'Holy Spirit', What if this Christian then said that 'One must be like' the other - In that the descriptions given by others are very similar. E.g. if they are told its a Demon and others Say its the Holy Spirit then

1) How can you tell them apart
2) Has the sin been committed due to ignorance and questioning?

See what I mean? You say its impossible for a Christian to commit this sin however what if someone is angry with God and says something bad about all 3 elements of the trinity!

[ThomM]

Oh, please, please, please, great Context Nazi...twist your nuts into a pretzel and tell us how to read such utter bullshit in the proper "context."

This is my interpretation of the unforgivable sin. We are led to believe in God by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. A person who has been shown and understands the truth, yet refuses to believe has sinned against the Holy Spirit. As long as a person continues to ignore the call of the Spirit, he cannot be forgiven.

So - what is it that YOU CAN PROVE is the truth?
I have yet to see PROOF of the existence of any god - much less any connection with a religion.

WE have no reason to be forgiven for not believing something that has not been established to be true. Especially when it is presented by a bunch of crooks

AND - what happens when we find out that many things that were claimed to be true - are now considered to be "allegories" or plain out fairy tales