Child Indoctrination how to break

[FlyingNarwhal]

So here is the back-story. I use to be a christian. Moving forward. I met this girl in college years back, she had 3-children. Hispanic family, catholic.

She wasn't very religious but her mother was.

by the time we got engaged we both lost our religion and converted to Buddhism (we do not believe in a god we follow the third school of philosophy)

But that being said the children have been heavily indoctrinated by her mother and other outside sources to the EXTREME.

my now-daughter brings up "god" all the time, saying stuff like "god healed my owy" etc.

When I told her god does not exist the look on her face would be the same if I had told her I was a martian.


How to break indoctrination?

We do not care if the children follow buddhism we would simply like them to use logic rather than fairy tales from a made up book.

I would try and teach her about why her owy healed. Obviously you can't just read from the science book, your talking to a kid, but explain it in terms she could understand. I don't know how old she is, but I bet The Magic Schoolbus probably has some episode about skin cells that would be entertaining and educational too.

[Justtristo]

In my opinion many parents have nothing but the best intentions raising their children in a particular religion; since they are telling their children what they consider to be the truth.

Is this process indoctrination? In the strict sense of the term yes, however is this emotional abuse? No.

However I do believe the education system can play an extremely important role to eliminating the cancers of religion and superstition. Children from as early as possible in my opinion need to be taught things like the scientific method and critical thinking. Also they need comprehensive, impartial and comparative education concerning different religions.

I believe as long as children get this type of education, many will reject the religion their parents raised them in and most will end up being atheists. Because they will have the "tools" to determine that the
claims of these religions are rubbish.

[Drich]

How to break indoctrination?

This should be easy. My mother was a Buddhist and had to go against family friends and all she knew. You and your wife starting out as Christian, all you must do is simply return home as the prodigal son did.

To do this, all you must do is repent and turn from Buddhism.

[BlackSwordsman]

How to break indoctrination?

This should be easy. My mother was a Buddhist and had to go against family friends and all she knew. You and your wife starting out as Christian, all you must do is simply return home as the prodigal son did.

To do this, all you must do is repent and turn from Buddhism.

Usually I hate having verses thrown at me, but in Buddhism the first thing I was told when entering, Do not believe anything you read, or anything you are told, come in to Buddhism questioning everything, be objective.

But no, I doubt I would return home a Christian my parent has accepted me it just took time.

I quoted one person and forgot to quote the others, my daughter is 6 my son is 7 my youngest is about 5, I'll say 5. His birthday is less than a month.

But my concern was them being around the extremist I mentioned. Nice lady, very friendly with the children but the stuff she says and teaches them are so off the wall. Stuff about not eating at night because it is a sin, how you cannot say the word "saturday" because that is a sin, and so on.

Thank you all for the positive feedback I recently saw a news story on tv where parents are starting to avoid religion and are teaching science instead.

[Drich]

This should be easy. My mother was a Buddhist and had to go against family friends and all she knew. You and your wife starting out as Christian, all you must do is simply return home as the prodigal son did.

To do this, all you must do is repent and turn from Buddhism.

Usually I hate having verses thrown at me, but in Buddhism the first thing I was told when entering, Do not believe anything you read, or anything you are told, come in to Buddhism questioning everything, be objective.

But no, I doubt I would return home a Christian my parent has accepted me it just took time.

I quoted one person and forgot to quote the others, my daughter is 6 my son is 7 my youngest is about 5, I'll say 5. His birthday is less than a month.

But my concern was them being around the extremist I mentioned. Nice lady, very friendly with the children but the stuff she says and teaches them are so off the wall. Stuff about not eating at night because it is a sin, how you cannot say the word "saturday" because that is a sin, and so on.

Thank you all for the positive feedback I recently saw a news story on tv where parents are starting to avoid religion and are teaching science instead.

Oh, you were serious?!?!

...and you do not see the hypocrisy in what your trying to do? (In short your trying to remove what you have identified as indoctrine, and are wanting to indoctrinate these kids with what you believe?) How long have you claimed Buddhism as your religion?

It seems like you missed a few major points, less manipulating people with the age of these kids, in helping you is now apart of the saddha.

[Rampant.A.I.]

It's not your fault you were abused as a child, Drich.

We just don't want to see other children go through the same abuse.

[BlackSwordsman]

Usually I hate having verses thrown at me, but in Buddhism the first thing I was told when entering, Do not believe anything you read, or anything you are told, come in to Buddhism questioning everything, be objective.

But no, I doubt I would return home a Christian my parent has accepted me it just took time.

I quoted one person and forgot to quote the others, my daughter is 6 my son is 7 my youngest is about 5, I'll say 5. His birthday is less than a month.

But my concern was them being around the extremist I mentioned. Nice lady, very friendly with the children but the stuff she says and teaches them are so off the wall. Stuff about not eating at night because it is a sin, how you cannot say the word "saturday" because that is a sin, and so on.

Thank you all for the positive feedback I recently saw a news story on tv where parents are starting to avoid religion and are teaching science instead.

Oh, you were serious?!?!

...and you do not see the hypocrisy in what your trying to do? (In short your trying to remove what you have identified as indoctrine, and are wanting to indoctrinate these kids with what you believe?) How long have you claimed Buddhism as your religion?

It seems like you missed a few major points, less manipulating people with the age of these kids, in helping you is now apart of the saddha.

Hypocrisy? I am teaching my children fairy tales are fairy tales, if you want to know fact learn science, if you decide fairy tales are real when you've grown up and educated yourself in different religions so be it, you will be accepted.

Actually we tell our kids point blank, but you probably didn't read through anything. We tell them you are too young to be any religion, please read through the posts before flying off the handle with Circular logic.

I've been Buddhist for awhile, my wife not so long but we tell our kids when asked, we do not believe a god, our "religion" is about kosen-rufu, which is world wide peace through inner peace, which we believe can only happen if everyone finds peace within themselves.

But that is nuts, I know it doesn't comply with Believe god or go to hell.

Our kids are not interested in Buddhism, they like the events but we tell them only once you've grown to hold understanding can you self identify but for now just enjoy being a child.

nuts right?


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Exactly, I told them when they are older if they wish to be religious in our house they must first study at least 4 religions. That way at the very least they have an understanding of how other cultures think and what those cultures believe.

[Drich]

It's not your fault you were abused as a child, Drich.
We just don't want to see other children go through the same abuse.

Then why are you not doing something about this Buddhist?

Again my mother was a Buddhist and my father a 'freethinking" hippy/spiritualist. I grew up in the same type of 'abusive' house hold this d-bag is trying to set up for his kids!!!

How can you tell you do not want to see other kids go through what I went through when this guy is advertising and even soliciting you all to help him brainwash his kids?

Not to mention in doing so he is violating the very principles he is pretending to be apart of! When will some of you anti religion types call this guy on his hypocrisy? I've but set it up for you!

Or are all of you simply anti Christian? Did you simply assume I grew up Christian, and you could give a crap about some strangers kids or how he is brain washing them so long as it does not involve Christianity in any way shape or form?

Hypocrite.

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Oh, you were serious?!?!

...and you do not see the hypocrisy in what your trying to do? (In short your trying to remove what you have identified as indoctrine, and are wanting to indoctrinate these kids with what you believe?) How long have you claimed Buddhism as your religion?

It seems like you missed a few major points, less manipulating people with the age of these kids, in helping you is now apart of the saddha.

Hypocrisy? I am teaching my children fairy tales are fairy tales, if you want to know fact learn science, if you decide fairy tales are real when you've grown up and educated yourself in different religions so be it, you will be accepted.

Actually we tell our kids point blank, but you probably didn't read through anything. We tell them you are too young to be any religion, please read through the posts before flying off the handle with Circular logic.

I've been Buddhist for awhile, my wife not so long but we tell our kids when asked, we do not believe a god, our "religion" is about kosen-rufu, which is world wide peace through inner peace, which we believe can only happen if everyone finds peace within themselves.

But that is nuts, I know it doesn't comply with Believe god or go to hell.

Our kids are not interested in Buddhism, they like the events but we tell them only once you've grown to hold understanding can you self identify but for now just enjoy being a child.

nuts right?


Taken from first page by me:

Exactly, I told them when they are older if they wish to be religious in our house they must first study at least 4 religions. That way at the very least they have an understanding of how other cultures think and what those cultures believe.

Dude you spoke to Christian stereotypes and generalities, in an attempt to red herring your way past my post.

I specifically called you out on anti Buddhist behavior. Your forcing you beliefs down your kids throats. Your chastising them for what they believe and wanting the help of anti religionists to do so. Whether you believe in God or not, your in the wrong here because what you've done goes against your religious beliefs, whether you know it or not!

Your not a Buddhist. Your a pseudo religionist with tendency towards Buddhism, but leans heavily towards self righteousness as your efforts do not actually reflect the teachings of Buddha, but what you yourself think is right.

[Rampant.A.I.]

It's not your fault you were abused as a child, Drich.
We just don't want to see other children go through the same abuse.

Then why are you not doing something about this Buddhist?

Again my mother was a Buddhist and my father a 'freethinking" hippy/spiritualist. I grew up in the same type of 'abusive' house hold this d-bag is trying to set up for his kids!!!

How can you tell you do not want to see other kids go through what I went through when this guy is advertising and even soliciting you all to help him brainwash his kids?

Not to mention in doing so he is violating the very principles he is pretending to be apart of! When will some of you anti religion types call this guy on his hypocrisy? I've but set it up for you!

Or are all of you simply anti Christian? Did you simply assume I grew up Christian, and you could give a crap about some strangers kids or how he is brain washing them so long as it does not involve Christianity in any way shape or form?

Hypocrite.

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Hypocrisy? I am teaching my children fairy tales are fairy tales, if you want to know fact learn science, if you decide fairy tales are real when you've grown up and educated yourself in different religions so be it, you will be accepted.

Actually we tell our kids point blank, but you probably didn't read through anything. We tell them you are too young to be any religion, please read through the posts before flying off the handle with Circular logic.

I've been Buddhist for awhile, my wife not so long but we tell our kids when asked, we do not believe a god, our "religion" is about kosen-rufu, which is world wide peace through inner peace, which we believe can only happen if everyone finds peace within themselves.

But that is nuts, I know it doesn't comply with Believe god or go to hell.

Our kids are not interested in Buddhism, they like the events but we tell them only once you've grown to hold understanding can you self identify but for now just enjoy being a child.

nuts right? :roflol:


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:oh-the-drama:

Dude you spoke to Christian stereotypes and generalities, in an attempt to red herring your way past my post.

I specifically called you out on anti Buddhist behavior. Your forcing you beliefs down your kids throats. Your chastising them for what they believe and wanting the help of anti religionists to do so. Whether you believe in God or not, your in the wrong here because what you've done goes against your religious beliefs, whether you know it or not!

Your not a Buddhist. Your a pseudo religionist with tendency towards Buddhism, but leans heavily towards self righteousness as your efforts do not actually reflect the teachings of Buddha, but what you yourself think is right.

[BlackSwordsman]

It's not your fault you were abused as a child, Drich.
We just don't want to see other children go through the same abuse.

Then why are you not doing something about this Buddhist?

Again my mother was a Buddhist and my father a 'freethinking" hippy/spiritualist. I grew up in the same type of 'abusive' house hold this d-bag is trying to set up for his kids!!!

How can you tell you do not want to see other kids go through what I went through when this guy is advertising and even soliciting you all to help him brainwash his kids?

Not to mention in doing so he is violating the very principles he is pretending to be apart of! When will some of you anti religion types call this guy on his hypocrisy? I've but set it up for you!

Or are all of you simply anti Christian? Did you simply assume I grew up Christian, and you could give a crap about some strangers kids or how he is brain washing them so long as it does not involve Christianity in any way shape or form?

Hypocrite.

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Hypocrisy? I am teaching my children fairy tales are fairy tales, if you want to know fact learn science, if you decide fairy tales are real when you've grown up and educated yourself in different religions so be it, you will be accepted.

Actually we tell our kids point blank, but you probably didn't read through anything. We tell them you are too young to be any religion, please read through the posts before flying off the handle with Circular logic.

I've been Buddhist for awhile, my wife not so long but we tell our kids when asked, we do not believe a god, our "religion" is about kosen-rufu, which is world wide peace through inner peace, which we believe can only happen if everyone finds peace within themselves.

But that is nuts, I know it doesn't comply with Believe god or go to hell.

Our kids are not interested in Buddhism, they like the events but we tell them only once you've grown to hold understanding can you self identify but for now just enjoy being a child.

nuts right?


Taken from first page by me:

Dude you spoke to Christian stereotypes and generalities, in an attempt to red herring your way past my post.

I specifically called you out on anti Buddhist behavior. Your forcing you beliefs down your kids throats. Your chastising them for what they believe and wanting the help of anti religionists to do so. Whether you believe in God or not, your in the wrong here because what you've done goes against your religious beliefs, whether you know it or not!

Your not a Buddhist. Your a pseudo religionist with tendency towards Buddhism, but leans heavily towards self righteousness as your efforts do not actually reflect the teachings of Buddha, but what you yourself think is right.

You win, I cannot argue with a christian especially one whom hasn't learned to read.

I tip my hat to you.

Please re-read the threads and I advise you not reply until you read them again.

I said many times now I nor my wife are forcing any religion, I mentioned we teach science, I mentioned our kids know about buddhism but arguing with a christian is like talking to a wall.