Quote:What has brought you to that conclusion?
The pious blathering of believers who think that if they tell 'jesus' that they believe in him they get to kiss his ass forever.
Grow up.
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What would it take for you to believe in God?
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 The pious blathering of believers who think that if they tell 'jesus' that they believe in him they get to kiss his ass forever. Grow up.  RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 9:39 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2014 at 10:02 pm by Cyberman.)
(April 29, 2014 at 9:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I think we all "do belief" to a certain extent. The theory of evolution is just that, a theory. It like most of Christianity is believed through faith. Yes, the Theory of Evolution is a theory. That's what you end up with after all the testable, repeatable, documented evidence has been tested, repeated and documented until what remains is a shiny diamond-hard nugget of reality. Calling it, or any theory in the scientific realm, "just a theory" is like saying someone is "just" a gold medal athlete, or a cure for cancer is "just" another drug. If you have to rely on faith, your house is built on increasingly shifting sand as we sift the Universe with increasingly finer tools and the ever-expanding knowledge that they bring. Your god is rapidly going the same way as all other gods invented by superstitious humans throughout history - vanishing into the gap between the real and the imagined. If you're going to argue scientific terms, first learn your definitions.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (April 29, 2014 at 9:37 pm)te1148 Wrote: It is circular reasoning, and I'm okay with that. As long as you understand your ignorance for what it is. 
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~ Erin Hunter  RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 9:40 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2014 at 9:42 pm by te1148.)
(April 29, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Beccs Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 9:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I think we all "do belief" to a certain extent. The theory of evolution is just that, a theory. It like most of Christianity is believed through faith. "Facts" are only as valid as the people looking at them. Facts can be misleading. Facts can be misconstrued. Facts often lead everywhere but the truth. (April 29, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:What has brought you to that conclusion? My question was an honest one. I want to learn why people believe what they believe.
No, facts are "observations that have been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” "
Your god has never been observed to do anything, anywhere, ever. What makes you think it's even there?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (April 29, 2014 at 9:40 pm)te1148 Wrote: My question was an honest one. I want to learn why people believe what they believe. That's odd. To learn someone else's subjective experience is not done by questioning said subjective experiences. Methinks you have another purpose here.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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Oh, so this is how the conversation's going to go: everything's just an opinion, everyone has faith because they can't know stuff certainly, every view is as equal as every other view...
Oh, except for god, because that's what the person advocating for solipsism believes in. Change the record, dude. 
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Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects!  (April 29, 2014 at 9:40 pm)te1148 Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Beccs Wrote: I knew it would come down to this: Christian Strawmen 101: Evolution is just a theory. No, facts are real. Something we can test. Not so the god hypothesis. Evolution is the basis for biology and modern medicine. Do you get a new 'flu shot every year? That's evolution in action. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" (April 29, 2014 at 9:47 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Oh, so this is how the conversation's going to go: everything's just an opinion, everyone has faith because they can't know stuff certainly, every view is as equal as every other view... I certainly don't think that every view is created equal. I think I'm right. You think you're right. But clearly one of us is wrong. One thing I want to establish is that we all believe certain things by faith or without testable evidence. So saying that you only believe in what can be scientifically tested is a little disingenuous.  RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 9:54 pm
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(April 29, 2014 at 9:04 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: Oh, gosh, this question again. I find it interesting that theists often throw the term "God" around with no qualifiers, as if their ambiguous "God concept" is somehow covered under any rational proof such a concept could be an entity, and then have carte blanche to swap whatever deity they personally believe, with very specific qualities. These are almost invariably the people who present an ontological argument, and are absolutely incredulous that "random chance created the universe from nothing," yet are completely oblivious to the fact that they have about a 1/1000 chance of having the right version of the right deity from the right culture of correctly correlating <Goddidit> and <This God, right here>. Which God? The Christian God? Who told you about that God? Are you aware how many others exist? Do you care? No? Why not? Well, what do you mean 'God's the only real God,' do you know how many times that claim has been made?" (April 29, 2014 at 9:53 pm)te1148 Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 9:47 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Oh, so this is how the conversation's going to go: everything's just an opinion, everyone has faith because they can't know stuff certainly, every view is as equal as every other view... You can believe the sky is purple all day long, that doesn't make it objectively true. What makes your beliefs more accurate than the beliefs of others? If other people disagree with your beliefs, can you show why you're right and they're wrong, external to your beliefs? |
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