Catholicism

[rexbeccarox]

*channels Min*

Full of pedophiles.

There is absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to be pedophiles than any other groups. It does show how media coverage and change public opinions about what they choose to cover. Every single accusation made over about the last 70 years was brought up and obsessed over. If that was done with teachers parents would be pulling their kids from schools tomorrow.

Shouldn't there be, I dunno, NO pedophile priests? There have been, literally, THOUSANDS of them just since the fifties. Seems like a lot since we're discussing an institution that claims to have a direct line to the One True Moral Authority, don'tcha think?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I was in 5th grade when I realized that these fucking nuns mumbling on about jesus and all sorts of other shit were about as fucking dumb as they come.

Same as above.
Fundamentalist: "You are going to hell"
Atheist fanatic: "You are stupid"

I disagree.

Fundamentalist: blows up abortion clinics, destroys entire buildings with a plane murdering thousands of people, decapitates a woman for being an accused apostate

Atheist 'fanatic' (???): tells people she thinks their religion and the dogmas it employs is retarded.

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The sacraments? What are those? Why should I care about then?
Doctrine? What is that thing? Is it related to some doctor?

Do note that both those term have implicit belief that some extraordinary agent exists... around here, that belief is far from granted.

Besides, any institution that requires belief automatically lacks credibility. Think about it...

If belief is hope, then pretty much anything requires it. If I get a job, it is with hope for money and their hope for my work. Everything I do requires faith in something for us to function as a society.

Faith in the imaginary =/= hope in there realisable.

There's a good chance you will get the by applying for it vis not applying for it. You also have a pretty good reason for thinking the job exists.

False equivocation to then compare this to an imaginary being that has as of yet no verifiable evidence of its existance.

You can't sleight of hand those who do not believe in a deity to somehow then be exactly the same as those who do, but just that they 'put their faith in something else'. Come on, no need to insult us eh?

[max-greece]

*channels Min*

Full of pedophiles.

There is absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to be pedophiles than any other groups. It does show how media coverage and change public opinions about what they choose to cover. Every single accusation made over about the last 70 years was brought up and obsessed over. If that was done with teachers parents would be pulling their kids from schools tomorrow.

The problem isn't that there are paedophile priests you moron.

The problem is that the church is an organisation dedicated to protecting them, moving them from one place to another, foisting them on unsuspecting communities (of their own followers!) and keeping them supplied with a steady stream of children to prey on.

That is the problem - and that is exactly how the Catholic church behaved for decades (if not centuries).

[Bob Kelso]

Fuck the Catholic church, fuck those in charge of the church, and fuck the Catholics that know what happens within the church and make excuses for it.

So fuck you too.

Oh, and definitely fuck the pope.





Questions?

Someone mentioned witch hunts earlier. I guess it is easy to jump aboard the blame wagon and ignore the facts.

Get bent, you have absolutely no bloody room to talk about "ignoring facts" over the subject of Catholicism.

[pocaracas]

The sacraments? What are those? Why should I care about then?
Doctrine? What is that thing? Is it related to some doctor?

Do note that both those term have implicit belief that some extraordinary agent exists... around here, that belief is far from granted.

Besides, any institution that requires belief automatically lacks credibility. Think about it...

If belief is hope, then pretty much anything requires it. If I get a job, it is with hope for money and their hope for my work. Everything I do requires faith in something for us to function as a society.

So... hummmm... everyone else has addressed this pretty much how I would... now I feel like a fifth wheel....
[spew something nonetheless]
A job requires a contract (if it's a legal one) and that contract stipulates everything. The employee knows, beforehand, that he has the power of the law behind him, if the employer doesn't pay his wage. The same applies for the employer who has an employee who does not perform his duties.
So you have an institution that's known to work in a particular way, requires no belief from you, just plain observation.

To repeat what others have said: Trust in other human beings does not equate to faith in the existence of some non-corporeal entity.

The funny thing is that this faith does tend to start out as "trust in other human beings", hence the widespread practice of indoctrination by trustworthy people, typically, the parents. Here's a thought experiment for you: What happens if you remove indoctrination from the whole of mankind?

[Coffee Jesus]

What is funny is that people of no faith believe you can vote on whatever thing you want, as long as it isn't faith. That's rather arbitrary.

This is a gross over-simplification of a naunced subject. To sum it up, we have certain rights that can't be overridden by the majority vote. In the US, those who assert that the USA is a Christian nation want to violate those rights.

[Esquilax]

What is funny is that people of no faith believe you can vote on whatever thing you want, as long as it isn't faith. That's rather arbitrary.

Oh, it's "arbitrary," to expect that people vote based on facts and reality rather than the unfalsifiable shit they wish were true? That's news to me.

Do you people even fucking listen to yourselves when you talk?

[Coffee Jesus]

What is funny is that people of no faith believe you can vote on whatever thing you want, as long as it isn't faith. That's rather arbitrary.

Oh, it's "arbitrary," to expect that people vote based on facts and reality rather than the unfalsifiable shit they wish were true? That's news to me.

Do you people even fucking listen to yourselves when you talk?

But they're garunteed the freedom of thought.
They have a right to their personal views on reality, and a right to vote as they wish.

[Esquilax]

But they're garunteed the freedom of thought.
They have a right to their personal views on reality, and a right to vote as they wish.

I know, but it's hardly arbitrary to expect one to be able to back up those personal views with facts and evidence, is it?

You're entitled to vote based upon your beliefs; you aren't then immune to criticism if those beliefs aren't based on anything real.

[RaisdCath]

What do we think about the Catholic Church? I just want to test the waters, I will not fight/argue with hateful words or cursing, so don't throw me out yet, I am just curious.

I was born into a catholic home; I had four brothers and two sisters; I was educated in catholic schools from kindergarten through my first year of college. I attended mass and confession "religiously", and was an alterboy for nine years.

The catholic church is - IMHO - the most organized, highly trained, professionally managed, tightly operated, and (without a doubt) most effective brain washing organization on this earth!