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RE: Virgin, God, WTF
May 1, 2014 at 3:41 pm
(May 1, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Tonus Wrote: Doesn't work with the punchline, though. The story would have to change and Joseph would have Mary put into a padded manger and the prophecies would tell of Jesus, who came from Bethlehem Bellvue.
It could work on its own, though. This latter version is more Monty Python-esque, I think.
I know, that's why I had to delete it. I was thinking something along the lines of Joseph packing up all his shit and leaving while mumbling "Crazy bitch" under his breath.
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RE: Virgin, God, WTF
May 1, 2014 at 4:05 pm
I read that there could gave been a mistake during the translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek. The word Almah has a few possible meanings in Hebrew, one of which is a virgin , but then another is just a young woman. They chose the word virgin. So it could all be just a mistranslation of the texts.
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RE: Virgin, God, WTF
May 1, 2014 at 4:29 pm
(May 1, 2014 at 4:05 pm)Laza Wrote: I read that there could gave been a mistake during the translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek. The word Almah has a few possible meanings in Hebrew, one of which is a virgin , but then another is just a young woman. They chose the word virgin. So it could all be just a mistranslation of the texts.
I mentioned that  which if Joseph isnt the father, still an affair story gone rouge
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RE: Virgin, God, WTF
May 1, 2014 at 4:32 pm
(May 1, 2014 at 4:05 pm)Laza Wrote: I read that there could gave been a mistake during the translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek. The word Almah has a few possible meanings in Hebrew, one of which is a virgin , but then another is just a young woman. They chose the word virgin. So it could all be just a mistranslation of the texts. It certainly has led to a weird arrangement, where for some reason the fact of her virginity matters. Would the act of heavenly insemination of the soul of god into a woman's uterus be any less miraculous if she wasn't a virgin? Would having already experienced sex have made her "impure" and incapable of receiving the GodFetus? Was god afraid that Joseph would mock him for "getting my sloppy seconds"?
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RE: Virgin, God, WTF
May 1, 2014 at 6:10 pm
(May 1, 2014 at 4:32 pm)Tonus Wrote: (May 1, 2014 at 4:05 pm)Laza Wrote: I read that there could gave been a mistake during the translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek. The word Almah has a few possible meanings in Hebrew, one of which is a virgin , but then another is just a young woman. They chose the word virgin. So it could all be just a mistranslation of the texts. It certainly has led to a weird arrangement, where for some reason the fact of her virginity matters. Would the act of heavenly insemination of the soul of god into a woman's uterus be any less miraculous if she wasn't a virgin? Would having already experienced sex have made her "impure" and incapable of receiving the GodFetus? Was god afraid that Joseph would mock him for "getting my sloppy seconds"?
The fact that she's a virgin lets us know that Jesus was definitely divine. How else would you know for sure. Of course christianity took the virgin birth story from older sources, much like a lot of their teachings. Jesus' tale wasn't unique.
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RE: Virgin, God, WTF
May 1, 2014 at 6:41 pm
I smell something fishy about mary,, and it aint the story
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RE: Virgin, God, WTF
May 2, 2014 at 12:50 am
(May 1, 2014 at 12:56 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: Okay I have always found the story of Mary coming to Joseph and telling him "I am pregnant".
If I was married to a virgin, who came to me and said " I am pregnant but I your not the father and I didn't cheat"
Hate to break it to you, but I'd call bullshit. It sounds like a cosmically weak excuse she made to cover up an affair.
Now on the flip side some people argue translation of the word virgin means, "young" not "pure".
Same deal, so what if this god story, was just a weak excuse to cover up an affair that got horribly out of control?
IMO the story of Mary and Joseph is actually a metaphor for the unification of the Jews and Samaritans. The Joseph character represents the Jews and the Mary character represents the Samaritans. This is based upon the Old Testament.
Mary (the Samaritans) was a virgin because the Samaritans had never produced a prophet for the Jews. Joseph (the Jews) accepted the idea that their new prophet would come from the Samaritans (as told in Matthew chapter 1).
For thousands of years stupid people have actually believed that a Middle East Jewish virgin actually gave birth to God. That is beyond being stupid.
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RE: Virgin, God, WTF
May 2, 2014 at 2:23 am
Now we are not being reasonable here. Joseph didn't merely take Mary's word for it. He was offered cast iron evidence by the angel of the lord.........in a dream.
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