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I hate Misandry and feminism.
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RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
(May 3, 2014 at 8:51 am)Esquilax Wrote: And I hope you realize how hard that might be when the status quo benefits men and disempowers women to the point that their say in how society is run is significantly weaker. To characterize this as an equal blame thing is to simply ignore the actual facts at play here; you can't sit at the tail end of a system that for the longest time made it difficult, if not impossible, for women to ascend to positions of power, and for that system to be bolstered by a male class that became used to a certain level of assumed power and respect (this is a human trait, not specifically a male one, but it did its work on males here) and then assign women equal blame for not crawling out of that rut.

I don't think anyone sensible would blame any individual man for the existence of this system, nor even present day men at all; we're all just inheriting a centuries-old apparatus, after all. This isn't the fault of anyone living, and it would be hard to point fingers at specific groups in the past because of how diffuse culture is, but when we just ignore that there are imbalances here, on both sides, because it's "not our fault," well, then it becomes our fault for perpetuating a system we could improve.

I'm replying to this out of order seems I agree with you on the whole 2nd paragraph. People do however generalize all men as responsible for sexism as if we are responsible for what other men long before we were born have done. Which is really my only bone to pick here. I find it frustrating when some feminists alienate people who agree with them by using language that seems aimed at creating further divides.

This isn't me trying to shrug off modern sexism at all. I agree with the majority of feminists, I also think we as a society are responsible for fixing such issues.

As for the first paragraph, I wasn't as clear as I thought I was looking back at that. My intention wasn't to make it seem like 50/50 blame. More that it isn't as clear cut as one group vs another.
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RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
Extreme feminists can be bad, but so can men that think they're head of the house because the have balls. Sorry grammar police, but I'm typing from my wee cell phone.

Sexist junk still exists as much as race issues do. It is hidden abit betterr, but it is still everywhere. If a man is getting abused then very little will be done to stop it. In fact, most people won't take it seriously at all. If a man abuses his wife he can expect jail time though. If women want a professional football team they better be wearing skimpy clothes and jiggling that cleavage.

If a man and woman both commit the same crime then the woman often gets off easier, and the male is in more serious trouble, unless the offense is toward babies or animals. If a man walks out on his family he's a douche bag, but its so normal it is almost expected so people don't think on it too long, but if a woman did this she is demonized and judged much worse.

I was at an office the other day and I had came in with alll sorts of bad information that a worker had told me over the phone. The operator had no clue what they were tallking about, so when I entered the office the man was upset, and blamed the operator's bad information on her being a ditsy female. I blamed the whole company, but whatever. It's all pretty annoying to me.
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RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
(May 3, 2014 at 12:18 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: [*]Why is it ok for a woman to beat a man in public but not the oppersite
Quite frankly, it's because men have had the power for millennia. It's a little thing I call the "Tom and Jerry Factor." Think about it: Imagine if there was a Tom and Jerry cartoon where Tom killed and ate Jerry, like cats do to mice in real life. Now imagine that the entire Tom and Jerry series was like that. It'd be a whole lot less funny, wouldn't it? A big part of what makes them funny is the fact that the whole premise of "mouse outwits cat and causes him pain" is such a quantum leap from normal experience that it becomes acceptable.

Quote:[*]Why is it that 90% of all homeless are men?,
Looking it up, it seems that males make up the majority of homeless people, but it doesn't seem the proportion is as high as 90%. That said, it seems like there are several facets of male traditional gender roles that contribute to it. For instance, men are more likely to be veterans, an experience that often leads to mental problems, and given that many aren't provided for after serving, this often leads to. Also, men often prefer to not seek treatment for mental illness or drug abuse.

Quote:[*]why is it that only men are put on the front line for war (and die by the 10000's) and never woman even though woman want equily pay?,
Because traditionally, only men were presumed fit for military duty.

Quote:[*]Why is it that only 6% of custody cases go to the men over children, even when at least half the time they would be better with the father?,
[*]Why can a woman divorce a men (which the weman can of earned none of the money), take the house, 50% his money, the kids (can can legally block him from seeing them) and for him to pay for the kids for 20 years (if if she is fully able to support the kids)?,
Because, traditionally, women were considered homemakers who were only good for raising kids and keeping house, and were, therefore, seen as actually needing that sort of thing. As women enter the workforce more and more, this is becoming less and less common.

Quote:[*]Why do we go on about FGM and not MGM?,
Because, simply put, the damage done by circumcision is nowhere near as damaging as the removal of the clitoris (Type 1), labia (Type 2), or a full-on Sadean sewing the genitalia shut (Type 3). I personally was circumcised and I honestly don't miss my foreskin.
In addition, studies have shown that circumcision in males can reduce the risks for several STDs. Nothing of the sort has shown any benefit coming from FGM.

Quote:[*]Why are there no men in primary education anymore at a time when there most needed?,
Why exactly are they "most needed?" Also, a little over a century ago, men weren't even allowed to be in primary education.

Quote:[*]Why are men always killed on screen in some of the most horrific way but women are always killed off screen?,
You sure about that?
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#14
RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
I don't trust that feminist groups are looking out for the interest of men. I don't think that they are purposefully doing so, or that they hate men, but that they don't understand male perspective and fail to address men's issues.
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RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
(May 3, 2014 at 11:03 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(May 3, 2014 at 12:18 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: [*]Why do we go on about FGM and not MGM?,
Because, simply put, the damage done by circumcision is nowhere near as damaging as the removal of the clitoris (Type 1), labia (Type 2), or a full-on Sadean sewing the genitalia shut (Type 3). I personally was circumcised and I honestly don't miss my foreskin.
In addition, studies have shown that circumcision in males can reduce the risks for several STDs. Nothing of the sort has shown any benefit coming from FGM.
While I agree with most of this, the bolded portion is incorrect. There is no conclusive evidence that suggests circumcision is beneficial or that it reduces risk of STD/STI. The American Association of Pediatrics does not recommend it as routine procedure. I hate that in America even doctors say this kind of crap and try to pressure new parents to circumcise their sons.
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#16
RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
(May 3, 2014 at 12:18 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: Misandry, Noun: Dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e., the male sex)
I need to rant,
I have been watching how men are now the underclass and whether you believe it or not, do not exist in PC vocalabaly. And to be honestly, it is destroying our culture.
Don't believe me then:
  • Why is it ok for a woman to beat a man in public but not the oppersite
  • Why is that men have no say in reproduction
  • Why is it that men are never mentioned in the media except when they done something wrong,(just an example:


  • Why is it that 90% of all homeless are men?,
  • why is it that only men are put on the front line for war (and die by the 10000's) and never woman even though woman want equily pay?,
  • Why is it that boys are falling behind in school and NOTHING is being done about it?,
  • Why is it that only 6% of custody cases go to the men over children, even when at least half the time they would be better with the father?,
  • Why can a woman divorce a men (which the weman can of earned none of the money), take the house, 50% his money, the kids (can can legally block him from seeing them) and for him to pay for the kids for 20 years (if if she is fully able to support the kids)?,
  • Why is it that they is a push to get woman into jobs A. They don't want to do B.Are unable to do?,
  • Why do we go on about FGM and not MGM?,
  • Why are there no men in primary education anymore at a time when there most needed?,
  • Why in the media are men always belittled by a smart faster stronger female in EVERYTHING?,
  • Why do woman on average get more years of pension?,
  • Why is it that its always a man who has to give up everything (sometimes even his life) for a woman?
  • Why are women earning on average more (let me clarifly this one, even though men get paid higher, there taxes are higher, there insurance is higher, there expenses are higher which in case a woman takes home more money)
  • Why is it funny to have a man kicked in the balls or have his manhood damaged but never a woman?,
  • Why are men always killed on screen in some of the most horrific way but women are always killed off screen?,
  • Why do we have woman only parking spaces, resturants, cabs, shealters and soon a city and its not counted as discrimation but if a man tried to do it, it's sexist?,
Do I really need to continue? or do you get the point because I have barely scratched the surface.
This feminist culture has made men disposable and effeminatised and reguards them as nothing but lasy, stupid, weak, morrons. infact its so bad I know men who what nothing to do with wemon and go there own way which is distorying the family and the west is following japan.

If you think I am lying, don't believe me and look it up for your self. As this is a real issue and the sooner you know the better. I want you to refute me call me out but atleast look it up for yourself as Feminism has distoryed the family and possabliy the next great genuioses of the world.
BTW its so bad even wemon are complaning and may are former feminists.

(* all of the stats may vary as i am too angry and drunk to look them up)

There are injustices to men in the world, no doubt. But, here's a stat that you missed. ALL WOMEN at one point, and in the grand scheme of things, it wasn't all that long ago, weren't permitted to vote. Weren't permitted to own property. Weren't permitted to work certain jobs. AN ENTIRE GENDER.

Now, someone here -- can't remember who...brought up in another thread recently, that all men are required when they turn 18 to sign up for the military. This is mandatory. 18 yr old girls aren't required.

If we are ever going to halt the gender bias, then both genders have to start being viewed equally. Not only when it's convenient.
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#17
RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
Ok now I am awake and sober, I will clarify my position.
This is going to be a long post so i put it into sections
My reply to Losty



My reply to No God



My reply to Rev. Rye


I hope I cleared that up.

(May 3, 2014 at 2:58 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:
(May 3, 2014 at 12:18 am)Gooders1002 Wrote:


There are injustices to men in the world, no doubt. But, here's a stat that you missed. ALL WOMEN at one point, and in the grand scheme of things, it wasn't all that long ago, weren't permitted to vote. Weren't permitted to own property. Weren't permitted to work certain jobs. AN ENTIRE GENDER.

Now, someone here -- can't remember who...brought up in another thread recently, that all men are required when they turn 18 to sign up for the military. This is mandatory. 18 yr old girls aren't required.

If we are ever going to halt the gender bias, then both genders have to start being viewed equally. Not only when it's convenient.
Oh I totally agree, but the problem we have is not only equal rights but equal responsibilities as well. Most feminist what all of the rights of men without the responsibility, men needed the right to own property so that they could support there familes, most men did not get the vote until a few years before women (which i agreed is unequal), women were not aloud in the higher paying jobs as it was the men that needed the money to support there families (not so much these days) also some of these jobs women are not biologically suited to. So there were reasons, some of these reasons are BS now but for the time completely justifiable.
If women what equal rights to men they need to share those responsibilities as well and I am all for gender equal rights as long as there is gender equal responabiliy.
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#18
RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
Feminism can be both misandrist and misogynistic.

Egalitarian is the only fair and balanced label there is for equal right for all genders, equally, without putting one gender above the other.
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#19
RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
(May 3, 2014 at 2:29 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Chill dude.

Firstly (grammar Nazi hat on) Women = plural! Woman= singular.
Pet peeve I know but it does make the reading much easier.

I am thinking that this imbalance is due to the fact that women are and have always been viewed as "the weaker sex" so essentially men have only themselves to blame. Karma is a bitch and like any other hominid whose arsehole points to the ground, will take FULL advantage if an advantage is available.

Needless to say you are correct in your observations. The next question is...... Just how do we, as a society, start addressing this?

Well firstly, well need to start fixing the family:
A.to stop hitting children,
B:to not perform MGM and FGM,
C:to give more attention to infants and young children,
D:to have more positive male role models in the media
Then the schools/uni:
A:to encourage men into primary schools and to grant them animosity if any charges of sexual assault come up until there found guilty or not (as even being accused of rape is career ending)
B:to change the curriculum and way of teaching so that is is more appealing to boys (is its currently female focused, I would go as far as to separate girl and boys so that both can be taught in a way that more appealing to them).
C:to increase the difficulty in exams as current A levels are as hard as O levels from 50 years ago.
D: to talk to boys why the're bored or don't like a subject.
Finally the society :
A: stop trying to put women in job there not good at, don't want to do or leave in 5/10 years because they what a child, you can't have both a high flying career and a child, one will allways suffer and in this day in age I can almost garantiy its the kid.
B: to have laws were false rape accusation is punishable by prision, 7 years should do.
C: to have equal sentences for both men and women so raise the female sentences or lower the men's,
D: to put laws in place that need to have a minimal standard for a job and both genders need to meet (like a send in a early post)
E: to let men become stay at home fathers so that the child can be brought up by a parent in the the first few crusal years of life.
F; get rid of no fault divorece if you have children, this cause so much damage i am alarmed why the media does not say anything (i do know way but that's for another time)
G: To have a law that says that one of the parents must take paid time off work to look after the child for the first 5 years, (either parent and of course if not a single parent
H: to have a law that in the event of pregancy if one of the parents does not want the child but the other does that A: the pregancy must go though and the parent that does get sole custody and B: the other parent that does not completely relquaicy the right to visitation or custody unless in the event of rape then the the rapist: if male, has no legal right to the child and if Female the victim can decide the fate of the child example if he what's it, he gets sole cusody and if not the baby it put up for adoption)

Though are just some of the ways we can change this, BTW men may be phyisaly stronger and mently more logical, women are naturally deceptive and its that trait that sort of got us in this mess to begain with.

(May 3, 2014 at 7:35 pm)Godslayer Wrote: Feminism is both misandrist and misogynistic.
Well modern feminism wants female supremacy where men are nothing but disposable utilities and ATMs if not (and i am going extreme here) wiped off the face of the earth, they are literally saying kill all men. though tat would kill humanity as when cars start to break down and food does not hit shelves and oil is not brought up and refined then they wish for men back. Its a mans world build for women.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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RE: I hate Misandry and feminism.
Ok let us test out my quoting skills.

(May 3, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote:
(May 3, 2014 at 5:38 am)Losty Wrote: I get it, I really do, but it's hard to take this seriously. Probably because so many complaints are either false or ridiculous. Women do not work on roads, men do. False.
Where I live in the US we see two signs near roadside construction. Sign 1) Please slow down, my daddy works here. Sign 2) please slow down, my mommy works here.
There are more men who work on roads than women surely, but it is not true that women do not work on roads.
I am not saying that there are not women working on the road but when what the last time a women was killed working on roads?

My point was, it's hard to take videos like this and complaints like yours seriously when you make obviously false assertions. You cannot say, "women do not work on roads, men do" (in fairness this is from the video and you didn't personally say it), because I will automatically think bullshit that's a lie and I will not take you seriously. Do some research and give the statistics or say the majority if roadside workers are men, but do not use hyperboles or non-facts to prove your point because it ruins your point.

(May 3, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote:
Quote:Why is there a breast cancer awareness month? Ridiculous.
Because people (yes men can also get breast cancer) die from breast cancer simply because they don't get checked for it and/or they don't know it runs in their family. Why is this sexist?? It's not.
While I do agree, prostate cancer is the 4th larger cause of death by cancer in the uk after breast cancer.
For instance 11762 people died of breast cancer in 2011, 11684 of those were female, were male were as 10793 men died of prostate cancer. Now that’s a 8.3% difference but the funding for prostate cancer is far lower than it should be (I can’t find the figures but there stupidly small)
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-i...cerdeaths/
Why don't you say, "why isn't there a prostate cancer awareness month?"
Implying that breast cancer awareness is somehow sexist doesn't help your case at all. Also, in the United States, September is National Prostate Health Month. It doesn't get as much attention as Breast Cancer Awareness. My personal opinion on this is that women love to talk. When we are struggling, we tend to seek out other women who are going through or have been through similar experiences. We like to ask for support and support each other. Men aren't usually as open with each other because society tells them that being a man means to internalize your issues.

(May 3, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote:
Quote:Why have you never seen a story in the news about a man being raped? False
I have seen a story in the news about a man being raped.
The stories are less common, because men are less likely to be raped and less likely to report being raped. It is a terrible thing that our society views rape as something that only happens to women, or only matters when it happens to women. It sucks and it's wrong.
Well men are raped more in equal numbers but A. its not reported B. not taken seriously C. the law says is not possible for a man to be raped by a women
Rape as defined in section 1 of the sexual offences act.
(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
© A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
So a woman can force a man to penetrate her and is not rape, and if she gets pregnancy she can claim child support off him.

I agree with you mostly, and I think the rest is just a difference in where we live. That is a fucked up law. Here is my state's definition of rape.

"Rape is sexual conduct with another who is not the spouse of the offender or who is the spouse of the offender but is living separate and apart from the offender, when any of the following applies:
(a) For the purpose of preventing resistance, the offender substantially impairs the other person's judgment or control by administering any drug, intoxicant, or controlled substance to the other person surreptitiously or by force, threat of force, or deception.

(b) The other person is less than thirteen years of age, whether or not the offender knows the age of the other person.

© The other person's ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age, and the offender knows or has reasonable cause to believe that the other person's ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age.

No person shall engage in sexual conduct with another when the offender purposely compels the other person to submit by force or threat of force. Whoever violates this section is guilty of rape; a felony in the first degree"

So where are I live men are treated equally, but no married person is protected from rape under the law unless they are not living together at the time of the rape.

(May 3, 2014 at 7:35 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Well modern feminism wants female supremacy where men are nothing but disposable utilities and ATMs if not (and i am going extreme here) wiped off the face of the earth, they are literally saying kill all men. though tat would kill humanity as when cars start to break down and food does not hit shelves and oil is not brought up and refined then they wish for men back. Its a mans world build for women.

I'm sorry, again, you go so extreme that it sounds like crazy talk and I can't take you seriously. That sucks because I want to be on your side. I think men are discriminated against and it's wrong to discriminate against people male or female. It's wrong.
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