Pro-life atheists

[Losty]

So, let me ask you. By your criteria, when is abortion allowable?

1. When a girl/woman is raped and ends up pregnant.
2. Same as above but the girl is 10-14 years old
3. As above, but the case is incest
4. COntinuing the pregnancy puts the mother's life at high risk
5. Severe abnormality of the fetus.
6. As 5., but the fetus likely live but require medical care all of its life, and will be severly brain damaged.

In my opinion abortion is never allowable except as an artifact to treat a medical condition provided all reasonable care was taken to safeguard the life of the unborn.

An ectopic pregnancy, to my knowledge, cannot be treated in a way that preserves the life of the unborn. It is a good example of an allowable "abortion". I don't really consider it an abortion because the termination of the fetus is a result of secondary effects or unintended consequences of a treatment of a life threating condition. An abortion is a conscious decision to kill another human being simply because that human beings existence will in some way inconvenience you.

What about late term abortions where they can choose to save either the mother or the fetus, but not both?

[Heywood]

In my opinion abortion is never allowable except as an artifact to treat a medical condition provided all reasonable care was taken to safeguard the life of the unborn.

An ectopic pregnancy, to my knowledge, cannot be treated in a way that preserves the life of the unborn. It is a good example of an allowable "abortion". I don't really consider it an abortion because the termination of the fetus is a result of secondary effects or unintended consequences of a treatment of a life threating condition. An abortion is a conscious decision to kill another human being simply because that human beings existence will in some way inconvenience you.

So, basically, to hell with the victims of crimes. They should be forced to place their lives on hold and risk their health and their lives because some piece of shit can't keep his dick in his pants and feels he has the right to violate someone.

Gotcha.

I have noticed thtat those people, males in pareticular, who are anti-choice are also those who are against healthcare, support for the unemployed and poor, and anti-benefit.

Many I've encountered are also opposed to comprehensive sex education and access to birth control.

I think we as society can afford to provide health care for everyone. I have no problem whatsoever with the government hireing doctors and building hospitals so that anyone who wants health care can receive at no direct expense to themselves......but that is the subject of another thread and simply a tactic on your part to obfuscate.....presumably because you are losing the argument.

How a human being comes into existence is irrelevant. Suppose a criminal act resulted in both your conception and your mother being in a state of coma for 5 years. You are born. When you are 4 years old you mother wakes. Your existence causes your mother to relieve the trauma of the criminal act which created you. Does this give her the right to kill you? Of course not. The details of your conception are irrelevant to your right to a continued existence.

What you are doing by engaging is such arguments is trying to persuade people by appealing to their emotions instead of making a logical cogent argument. It is a tactic that sometimes works on the weak minded...but it will not work on me.

You will have to do better.

[Losty]

Notice how you still refuse to describe your criteria for a human being.

Becca is definitely not losing the argument lmao. Wow.

Here's my emotion free argument. Killing a non sentient han being that is not a person is not wrong.

*edit* han being lmao. *human being

[Heywood]

What about late term abortions where they can choose to save either the mother or the fetus, but not both?

I don't believe such situations are the case in the United States. Some women argue for and receive late term abortions for psychological reasons but I would never consider these viable reasons to terminate a pregnancy.

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Becca is definitely not losing the argument lmao. Wow.

Like I said....Beccs arguments might (and apparently do) appeal to the weak minded.

[Losty]

What about late term abortions where they can choose to save either the mother or the fetus, but not both?

I don't believe such situations are the case in the United States. Some women argue for and receive late term abortions for psychological reasons but I would never consider these viable reasons to terminate a pregnancy.

Lol what? So you're saying that if a woman has to choose to abort or die (rare but definitely real) she should have to die because you don't believe that ever happens?

[Heywood]

I don't believe such situations are the case in the United States. Some women argue for and receive late term abortions for psychological reasons but I would never consider these viable reasons to terminate a pregnancy.

Lol what? So you're saying that if a woman has to choose to abort or die (rare but definitely real) she should have to die because you don't believe that ever happens?

It is possible to keep people from harming themselves. If your existence causes Beccs to want to commit suicide does that give her a right to kill you? Negative. Your right stands and Beccs can be treated for her psychological problems.

[The Valkyrie]

So, basically, to hell with the victims of crimes. They should be forced to place their lives on hold and risk their health and their lives because some piece of shit can't keep his dick in his pants and feels he has the right to violate someone.

Gotcha.

I have noticed thtat those people, males in pareticular, who are anti-choice are also those who are against healthcare, support for the unemployed and poor, and anti-benefit.

Many I've encountered are also opposed to comprehensive sex education and access to birth control.

I think we as society can afford to provide health care for everyone. I have no problem whatsoever with the government hireing doctors and building hospitals so that anyone who wants health care can receive at no direct expense to themselves......but that is the subject of another thread and simply a tactic on your part to obfuscate.....presumably because you are losing the argument.

How a human being comes into existence is irrelevant. Suppose a criminal act resulted in both your conception and your mother being in a state of coma for 5 years. You are born. When you are 4 years old you mother wakes. Your existence causes your mother to relieve the trauma of the criminal act which created you. Does this give her the right to kill you? Of course not. The details of your conception are irrelevant to your right to a continued existence.

What you are doing by engaging is such arguments is trying to persuade people by appealing to their emotions instead of making a logical cogent argument. It is a tactic that sometimes works on the weak minded...but it will not work on me.

You will have to do better.

When someone claims that someone else is losing an argument that usually means they're starting to see the weakness in their own statements and deflecting from the issue.

Yes, it DOES matter how the woman becomes pregnant.

If she is raped and becomes pregnant why the hell should she be forced to put her life on hold while she is forced to carry a reminder of the violation every day of those nine months? Why the hell should she have to carry something tat was forced on her? Why should a young girl who was molested and is likely too young to safely deliver a child be put at risk - don't say "caesarian".

You're not making "logical, cogent" answers. You're trying to force you opinion on others when you and your gender are not the ones who have to carry the children.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If men got pregnant they would be able to get abortions through the drive through and get a free coffee to go.

YOU will have to try harder. Or, better, keep out of women's reproductive health.

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What about late term abortions where they can choose to save either the mother or the fetus, but not both?

I don't believe such situations are the case in the United States. Some women argue for and receive late term abortions for psychological reasons but I would never consider these viable reasons to terminate a pregnancy.

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Becca is definitely not losing the argument lmao. Wow.

Like I said....Beccs arguments might (and apparently do) appeal to the weak minded.

And when they start insulting, you know they're done.

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Lol what? So you're saying that if a woman has to choose to abort or die (rare but definitely real) she should have to die because you don't believe that ever happens?

It is possible to keep people from harming themselves. If your existence causes Beccs to want to commit suicide does that give her a right to kill you? Negative. Your right stands and Beccs can be treated for her psychological problems.

Definite case of reflection here.

Once again you avoid the question and go off on tangents.

I would say the arguments you have to present are even weaker than those already given.

[Heywood]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If men got pregnant they would be able to get abortions through the drive through and get a free coffee to go.

This is not a good argument. It is an attempt to appeal to peoples emotions. It is rubbish.

[The Valkyrie]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If men got pregnant they would be able to get abortions through the drive through and get a free coffee to go.

This is not a good argument. It is an attempt to appeal to peoples emotions. It is rubbish.

No, it's a likely fact.

Prove me wrong.

I notice, once again, that you ignore the rest of the statements and concentrate on me being facetious, anyway.

[Heywood]

This is not a good argument. It is an attempt to appeal to peoples emotions. It is rubbish.

No, it's a likely fact.

Prove me wrong.

I notice, once again, that you ignore the rest of the statements and concentrate on me being facetious, anyway.

Now you've gone fundie.