Pro-life atheists

[Minimalist]

[DamianThomas]

Sad thing is, that photo needs to be updated.

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[quote='Losty' pid='674673' dateline='1400817840']

I would like to see abortion heavily restricted to when the pregnancy is proven to threaten the life of the mother and in the cases of rape.

If you honestly consider the fetus a "life", then why does rape matter? Is the rape fetus any different from a regular fetus?

That tells me you care more about seeing a woman punished than any real concern about a fetus.

[Chas]

There must be such a thing. After all, you don't have to believe in a god to stick up for the rights of the unborn.
Thoughts?

I have always been pro-life. My understanding is that no matter what the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, bad or good, rape or not. That child that innocent baby had nothing to do with it. They are without blame, why place the blame of a rapist on a baby, wasn't that childs fault.

Why should it suffer?

There is always adoption. Don't want it, give it to someone who cannot have a child, who's spent a fortune on having kids without success.

As a Buddhist, (moderately monastic) the view is that life begins at conception and all life is valuable.

My dear kid brother, would not be here had his 12 year old mother aborted him. She had him, gave him up for adoption.

In doing so my mother and I have had the pleasure of having him in our lives (my adopted family could not have children)

Well, except without a brain and a nervous system there is no person, and certainly no suffering.

The rest is an appeal to emotion.

Your argument fails.

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I kinda quit thinking about pro-choice/pro-life topic after PTSD was mentioned. I'm very close to a couple people with PTSD and neither were soldiers. I find it pretty disturbing that some people don't take PTSD seriously unless they served in combat. That is a very judegemental, but I suppose that should be for another thread.

I suppose, but honestly it bothers me that such an extreme term is over used and even feminists are using the word. I am not saying you had to have served combat never once did I say that.

But there was a mother on the news who claimed PTSD from child birth.

There is another feminist whom claimed PTSD after being called a name.

There was another person who got in a fender bender and tried claiming the bump gave her PTSD

Yeah some things can give it to you, but let the word be reserved for actually serious shit.

353,015 births per day, and 128.9 million births per year.

So that is a lot of people giving birth, and you got PTSD? From giving birth?

Come now, I brought up my example saying that I don't like how nonchalantly the word is used.

Not every traumatized person develops full-blown or even minor PTSD. Symptoms usually begin within 3 months of the incident but occasionally emerge years afterward. They must last more than a month to be considered PTSD. The course of the illness varies. Some people recover within 6 months, while others have symptoms that last much longer. In some people, the condition becomes chronic.

A doctor who has experience helping people with mental illnesses, such as a psychiatrist or psychologist, can diagnose PTSD. The diagnosis is made after the doctor talks with the person who has symptoms of PTSD.

To be diagnosed with PTSD, a person must have all of the following for at least 1 month:

At least one re-experiencing symptom
At least three avoidance symptoms
At least two hyperarousal symptoms
Symptoms that make it hard to go about daily life, go to school or work, be with friends, and take care of important tasks.

PTSD is often accompanied by depression, substance abuse, or one or more of the other anxiety disorders.

My gripe is with the ease at which people throw the word out.

Sorry if you or anyone else in the thread got offended by it, it was never my intent to make it sound like no one else can get it, I just hate seeing so over used.

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The offense was taken because you either overlooked "repeated rape" or devalued the trauma of that.

[BlackSwordsman]

I have always been pro-life. My understanding is that no matter what the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, bad or good, rape or not. That child that innocent baby had nothing to do with it. They are without blame, why place the blame of a rapist on a baby, wasn't that childs fault.

Why should it suffer?

There is always adoption. Don't want it, give it to someone who cannot have a child, who's spent a fortune on having kids without success.

As a Buddhist, (moderately monastic) the view is that life begins at conception and all life is valuable.

My dear kid brother, would not be here had his 12 year old mother aborted him. She had him, gave him up for adoption.

In doing so my mother and I have had the pleasure of having him in our lives (my adopted family could not have children)

Well, except without a brain and a nervous system there is no person, and certainly no suffering.

The rest is an appeal to emotion.

Your argument fails.

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I suppose, but honestly it bothers me that such an extreme term is over used and even feminists are using the word. I am not saying you had to have served combat never once did I say that.

But there was a mother on the news who claimed PTSD from child birth.

There is another feminist whom claimed PTSD after being called a name.

There was another person who got in a fender bender and tried claiming the bump gave her PTSD

Yeah some things can give it to you, but let the word be reserved for actually serious shit.

353,015 births per day, and 128.9 million births per year.

So that is a lot of people giving birth, and you got PTSD? From giving birth?

Come now, I brought up my example saying that I don't like how nonchalantly the word is used.


My gripe is with the ease at which people throw the word out.

Sorry if you or anyone else in the thread got offended by it, it was never my intent to make it sound like no one else can get it, I just hate seeing so over used.

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The offense was taken because you either overlooked "repeated rape" or devalued the trauma of that.

Well i apologize for not realizing that, I didn't think of it as the time of the post it was not omited or left out or even unconsidered it was just not thought of

[Silver]

Why should it suffer?

It does not suffer, because it lacks the necessary developed consciousness to be aware of itself or anything else.

[Losty]

Sad thing is, that photo needs to be updated.

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I would like to see abortion heavily restricted to when the pregnancy is proven to threaten the life of the mother and in the cases of rape.

If you honestly consider the fetus a "life", then why does rape matter? Is the rape fetus any different from a regular fetus?

That tells me you care more about seeing a woman punished than any real concern about a fetus.

I have edited your post in my reply. I do not wish to be associated with such a stupid comment. Shame on you for bad quoting :p

[Heywood]

I think 24 weeks is important because the nervous system is developed. The fetus is not a sentient being. I don't know about thought but it can definitely feel pain and that's a pretty important limit. We, as people, kill non people all the time and no one ever cares unless we do it in a way that causes that non person a lot of unnecessary pain.

I think its important that human beings be prevented from killing other human beings....but that is just my whacked out conserve-tard opinion.

[Silver]

I think its important that human beings be prevented from killing other human beings....but that is just my whacked out conserve-tard opinion.

A fetus is not a human being, and that is an intellectual observation.

[Esquilax]

I think 24 weeks is important because the nervous system is developed. The fetus is not a sentient being. I don't know about thought but it can definitely feel pain and that's a pretty important limit. We, as people, kill non people all the time and no one ever cares unless we do it in a way that causes that non person a lot of unnecessary pain.

I think its important that human beings be prevented from killing other human beings....but that is just my whacked out conserve-tard opinion.

How have you been here this long and still don't understand that an assertion of what something is, is not the same thing as demonstrating that?

If I was happy enough to argue like you do my position would begin and end at "I think it's important that people have the right to abort fetuses, as fetuses are alien Cthulhu monsters that tear out your soul when they're born. But that's just my whacked out, anti-Elder Godist opinion."

Oh! And that makes the fourth time you've equivocated about "human beings" versus "people" under your own definitions! By now it's gone well beyond an honest mistake and into the intentional dishonesty territory.

[The Valkyrie]

I think 24 weeks is important because the nervous system is developed. The fetus is not a sentient being. I don't know about thought but it can definitely feel pain and that's a pretty important limit. We, as people, kill non people all the time and no one ever cares unless we do it in a way that causes that non person a lot of unnecessary pain.

I think its important that human beings be prevented from killing other human beings....but that is just my whacked out conserve-tard opinion.

Until viability it is not a human being, or a baby.